Author Topic: What if...... (Read 4424 times)

Jeffrevs · « **on:** January 06, 2004, 03:44:26 PM »

..........you took the cost issue away from these balls? (by the way , don't get me started, I'm not complaining about Lane 1 prices, I have 2 and got them on trade. I'm neutral on this issue , just sick and tired of all the childish bickering going back and forth regarding their stuff and pricing.)

What if Lane 1 stuff costs as much as all other manufacturers. Would this site be different regarding their stuff?

Would there be the crap arguments that happen every single day and are brought up in other boards than the Lane 1 board??

Think about it.........Lane 1 itself, does not promote, advertise, or otherwise their stuff as being FAR SUPERIOR than anyone elses stuff....they hype it up just like any company should. For Christ's sake they used CLUMP in a National ad, who knows who he is except for BR members ?? So, as far as I'm concerned, their creative marketing needs some help!

So, take the price issue out of it.....how would they differ then and how would they be represented here ? Any differently ?

Discuss........
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Hello, I just lowered my track !

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A_P_K · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2004, 07:28:40 AM »

Ok Jeff, I thought about this some and I'll add $.02 from my perspective.

Since using Lane 1 for me was never about the price;

What it is about, is the energy generated at the pocket, the way energy is dispersed into the pins, and the way the pin action carries all ten. Not all Buzzsaws act like that but most of them do, so it's possible many would know them regarding that reason, "The Typical Buzzsaw Crack At The Pins."

Also, most Buzzsaws (not BOMBS) roll great and relatively early, just about every one of them is smooth as silk on the lanes. It's easy to see them rev up, easier to tell when they will turn over, and it's easier to know when to adjust. This could be a reason why so many bowlers who average 175 to 190+ prefer to use Buzzsaws.

As far as marketing is concerned, a Buzzsaw speaks for itself. Just look at how the Buzzsaw Fanatics buy every new Saw coming out from this site alone. Imagine if another bowler looking for a ball watched them throw theirs, interested in the reaction, the way it may carry, or generate pin action. Knowing price isn't an issue they would see that as a benefit to their game. The word of mouth would spread harder and faster than it does now, and that's with a simple Miner telling you he's gonna clump you up!

There will be a few people though who think that Lane 1 isn't different from other equipment, the core is old and tired, but why should they change something that works for the company?

As someone who's tinkered with plenty of equipment since the beginning of the year, there definitely is a difference between the roll/hit/carry characteristics whether the haters like it or not.

They also wouldn't be looked down as much as they do without the price issue at hand.
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Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2004, 08:03:33 AM »

1 response? 62 views, with as many Sawheads on this site? Interesting........
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JEFF
Hello, I just lowered my track !

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no1bucsfan · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:19:30 AM »

The price is the whole issue. I think if they were the same price, there would be no complaints about the product.

The only problem then would be people thinking they get what they pay for. If lane 1 costs more then people assume they are better than everything else, so if they cost the same, people would think they are the same quality, and therefor not be as tempted to try them.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:21:18 AM »

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so if they cost the same, people would think they are the same quality, and therefor not be as tempted to try them.

AHHH HAAH !! Is this true ??
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JEFF
Hello, I just lowered my track !

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:54:02 AM »

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If they cost the same as other products I would have NO problem selling them to my customers. I just don't like selling balls that cost more that don't do anything that a cheaper ball doesn't do.

Randy, let me ask you a question...have you tried a few saws ? did you like them?
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JEFF
Hello, I just lowered my track !

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:56:40 AM »

Price is not an issue for me. I would still continue to buy Buzzsaws regardless. Why? Because I have thrown a lit of balls from a lot of companies and for whatever reason unknown to me, the Buzzsaws match up best for my style, with the Ebonite V2 line not far behind. Now if we were to go back approximately 8-9 years ago, then I would say the Brunswick Quantum line of balls matched up best for me.

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:58:59 AM »

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Price is not an issue for me. I would still continue to buy Buzzsaws regardless.

But what caught your eye about them? What got your interest in these ?
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Hello, I just lowered my track !

A_P_K · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2004, 11:18:19 AM »

This topic was created to remove the price issue from the Great Lane 1 debate. Could we at least make a serious attempt at discussing why or why not Lane 1 is different/better/worse than other companies equipment.

...Or is it honest to God truly all about...

PRICE ISSUES

'Nuff said!
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"How far must one go, before he throw his whole entire life right out the window"?

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

seadrive · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2004, 11:42:55 AM »

I wanted to try a Buzzsaw because of the diamond core, which Lane #1 claims gives their balls a type of roll and "hit" (whatever that is) that you can't get with other companies' products. For me, the price is a definite disincentive, so the Buzzsaws I have, I bought used.

I'm not a professional bowler, just a league hack, so money is a factor. However, money is a factor with all companies' balls, since "top-of-the-line" where I live means $200+. I would probably spend $235 for a Black Cherry Bomb before I'd pay $205 for an X-Factor or an Inferno.
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Cogito ergo bowl

Steven · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2004, 12:07:12 PM »

Lane#1 cost was never an issue with me. You can't talk about 'cost' without factoring in 'benefit' anyway.

I bought my first two Lane#1's this year (a XXXL and Cranberry) more out of curiosity than anything else. How can one not be enticed with advertising that states "more 300's and 800's than any other line of balls"?

After throwing both balls extensively, my conclusion is that Lane#1 definitely provides something a little different. The concept of "better" will have to be determined by individual bowlers. For me, the Buzzsaw roll is such that my Cranberry would never be the first ball out of my bag. However, others love them. My doubles partner would part with everything he owns before giving up his SCB.

My complaint with Lane#1 is that they market their diamond core as the end all for all situations. While they have their place, there are different core shapes from other manufacturers that will be a better choice for at least some situations. That's why I chuckle when I read testimonies from die hard Buzzheads who throw nothing but saws.

Lane#1's problems in the future will come from other companies that are starting to develop symmetric center heavy cores that provide 'buzzsaw like' reactions. The Columbia WOW balls are a good example. I could argue that these balls are a better 'saw than a saw', but I won't go there -- that's the subject for another topic.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2004, 12:22:44 PM »

Jeffrevs asked - [Qudote] - "But what caught your eye about them? What got your interest in these?"
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Jeff, a number of things, but mostly the following:

A bowler, in one of the leagues that I bowl in has a Buzzsaw arsenal. Up to this point, I had saw few Saws. This bowler has about the same type style, speed and revs that I have. I couldn't get over the Pin carry this bowler was getting. He was getting strikes on the same hits that I was getting 8-9 Pins on. I discussed the Saws with him and he said he loved them. Meanwhile, other than a V2 Pearl which I loved on lighter oil, I had a Storm arsenal that sucked from top to bottom. I started checking around and heard talk about the Saws being bowler friendly, a good ball for league bowlers, and etc.

I then talked to a couple of Pro Shop operators about them. They said they didn't know anything about the Saws. I inquired about them getting one for me and they said they couldn't do that because the owners of the Bowling Houses had deals with the distributors. The owners orders were "you buy from no one except these distributors." The deals were, if they bought all of their merchandise from these distributors thru out the year, the owners received a "kick back" from the distributors..... (Must be like a car dealership).... I told the Pro Shop operators, well just order one for me and don't tell anyone and they both said "no, I can't do that because if I did and got caught, I would be fired."

I then started reading what people on the Lane 1 column here had to say about the Saws.....(Note, up to this point, I never read the Lane 1 column. Read only the Brunswick and Ebonite columns)....Anyhow, I liked what I was reading and hearing about Lane 1 balls and wanted to try one. I also felt down deep that I was probably just throwing my money away, but by now, I just had to try one and see if the talk from the bowler in my league and on this site was true or simply B.S.

The next question was who do I go to, to both buy and get the ball drilled. All of the positive talk on this site about Pro Shop operators seemed to be about Doug Sterner, so I contacted Doug about the price and drilling. We worked out a deal and he drilled it and shipped it and I fell in love with it. It exceeded by far what my Storm balls were doing and this "hooked me on Saws" This all took place the end of July last year.

Since then, I have bought 3 more Saws from Doug (XXXL-Emerald-Golden Nugget) and love them all. In fact the performance of the Emerald and Golden Nugget far exceed the first one (Blueberry) that I bought. They sort of make it look bad and I have been doing some complaining about it. Yet, it still out-performs all of the Storm balls I had and I would still "love it to death" had I not bought the Emerald and Golden Nugget.

Sorry about making this so long, but that is how I got started on Saws from the very begging to the present. (Today)

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I love my Golden Nugget. It is second to none.

sdbowler · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2004, 12:45:57 PM »

I got my Carbide C Pearl from a friend of mine. Being a spinner I got hooked on Track and just kept using their stuff cause it worked great for me. After I got the Buzzsaw drilled up I could not believe that I could get a ball to move that much. This ball is plain AWSOME. When I release it right I know that it is ten in the pit. I have never had as many low and high flying messengers that I have had with this ball all at the same time. I would love to get a few more Lane #1 ball's but to due to personal situations am not able to. Yeah I think price is a big factor why there is not a whole lot of Saws out there. The other problem is that not many shops have anything set up with Lane #1 to order. My brother runs a small center in South Dakota and he is one of like 5 who is on Lane #1's sight for proshops in the state. There is not a single proshop in Sioux Falls that's on the list. So with that in mind I don't know if price is the big factor or if lack of places that sell them is. Now I know a lot of people will say order offline. Most of the poeple in the state fell that they should support the local center and that would include the proshop as well. In my mind Saws are worth the little extra.
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Strider · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2004, 07:28:04 PM »

I wanted top try them because of all the hype (some here, some other places). Smooth rolling, better carry/"crack" at the pins, more honor scores... I bought 2 (new Cherry Pearl, used Pro Purple). Didn't notice anything great about them, so I sold them after a year. As you can see from my profile, I throw a lot of different stuff (even took others off that I've sold). I know what works for me. I tried 2 drilling on the Cherry and 3 on the Purple. Multiple surface changes on both. I may eventually try them again, but not right away. I'm not buying anything for a while (unless a fantastic deal fell into my lap), but even if I did, it wouldn't be Lane#1.
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