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Ragnar

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what is available, from Lane #1?
« on: March 09, 2005, 03:06:51 AM »
that fits between my U-Pearl and my Bullet?  The U-Pearl is way too strong when it hits the dry and the Bullet isn't quite enough (unless I just point it up and hope to carry the corners).  I've been making do with a Super Carbide Bomb; it reads the mids well and doesn't over react on the dry, but I'd like to give it a go with something a little less strong.  Should I be looking at the U-Solid? Something else?  (I may have missed the boat in not getting the XXL, but miss it I did).  From what I've read the Emerald would give me the same problem as the U-Pearl, right?  Basically I'd like to cover fewer boards than the SCB, but maybe a few more than the Bullet, or at least a little more carry than the Bullet.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2005, 11:10:48 AM »
An Emerald?!? WAIT...sorry....they don't make that anymore
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2005, 11:11:45 AM »
I'm no Lane 1 guru, as I haven't thrown any saws for awhile now, but I think the Golden Nugget might be a viable choice, if drilled properly. It's going to push down the lane further than the Uranium, which, for me, was very midlane oriented, and it should recover much harder than the Bullet. Just be careful with drilling. The GN that I had would fire off the dry like a boomerang. Drill it for smoother transition and I think you'll have exactly what you're looking for. Just my .02. I'm sure the current Lane 1 guys will have plenty of insight to offer.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2005, 11:13:29 AM »
I feel this is where they are lacking, So I suggest perhaps another Uranium with a weaker drill and some surface prep. I would also suggest a Dirty BOmb the pearlof course, it might actually cover more boards thna your U pearl but it is way smoother off the dry and not the least bit jerky which kinda sounds like the problem your having. I am not a fan of the solid.  The solid handles more oil than the pearl obviously so on the same oil it might hook less if you get it to burn up a little where the U pearl wouldn't be.  You could wait for their next ball they are due for a mid price medium kinda piece sometime in possible future.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2005, 11:13:45 AM »
Rags........have you tried the Dirty Bomb Pearl yet??? I am no Lane #1 expert as I only have a SCB. Sounds like you need something equilvalent to a Blade reactive.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2005, 11:18:17 AM »
Rags: You've identified the key weakness in the Lane#1 line -- a ball that fits between the U-Pearl and Bullet.

The answer isn't the Solid Uranium. Even polished, the cover is not compatible with dry boards. Where the SCB will will die out a little on the dry, the U-Solid will bounce.

I've actually had good success with my U-Pearl on drier conditions. I have a pin-in setup for less flare, and I come straight up the back to tame the jump at breakpoint. It's my answer to a nasty wet/dry I usually experience in league. I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but it's the only one I can offer.


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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2005, 11:50:39 AM »
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I have a label drilled Golden Nugget that works really fine in this area,  


Maybe we have a different definition of dry. I can't start my label leverage Golden Nugget on dry. The particle pearl cover is just to strong. And even if you can get through the heads, the breakpoint on this ball is just too sharp. The GN is best used on fresh blended conditions.

A milder cover version of the U-Pearl would be the optimal solution. In the mean time, the right pin, drill and cover prep on the U-Pearl is probably the best compromise.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2005, 11:54:36 AM »
I have a Viper Pearl and an XXL that fits between the U-Pearl and the Bullet. Although the XXL is urethane, it hooks a lot more in the dry than the Bullet which is a straight ball. (BTM has it with a flare of 1 and they are not kidding.) I can only use the SCB in heavy oil and the Uranium Solid is a notch lower but still needs a lot of head oil to perform.

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I've been making do with a Super Carbide Bomb; it reads the mids well and doesn't over react on the dry, but I'd like to give it a go with something a little less strong.  


If you can still use the SCB and like a little less strong but smooth reaction, then I will recommend the Hybrid Dirty Bomb. This is a smooth, predictable ball (mine is drilled 5 X 4, pin over ring) that carries.

Hope this helps.

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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2005, 12:05:23 PM »
Rags,

I would keep an eye out for an XXL on Ebay. I see them from time to time.

Friends of mine have complained about the carry on the Bullet. I have a Bullet that is drilled for maximum back-end, and with my revs I really like the carry it has on dry or light oil.

Otherwise, I would recommend the Hybrid drilled very weak.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2005, 12:08:48 PM »
My bullets carry is phenominal but everyone is different.  XXL's are easier to find than some other discontinued saws.  I know beans has some.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2005, 01:07:28 PM »
i have this same problem and right now there really isn't anything that fits really well between the U-pearl and bullet. iono if im reading ur post right, but i don't see how the SCB can work for you in between the U-pearl and bullet. iono how easy it is for you to find, but stuff that works for me that is between the U-pearl and bullet are; XL, blueberry (polished), pro-purple (slight polish). of the three, my favorite and current ball i use is the XL, but that ball is really old, but has always been one of my most reliable. imo, the XL is one of the best light/medium oil balls that lane 1 has made, very versatile, stronger than the bullet and weaker than U-pearl. of the new stuff, there isn't really a ball that fits into this spot, unless you get something that is not really new, but prlly gonna be retired soon.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2005, 01:20:37 PM »
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iono if im reading ur post right, but i don't see how the SCB can work for you in between the U-pearl and bullet.


wingwong unknowingly brought up one of the misconceptions about dry lane matchups -- sometimes, the best choice (or at least an effective available choice) is a ball with a low RG core and aggressive cover.

The low-RG results in energy burning up early. Combined with an aggressive cover, the final result is a forward roll effect that doesn't overreact on dry.

Of course, you have to know how and where to play the shot, but the approach can be effective. The fact that Rags initially brought this tells me he knows how to bowl.
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wingwong623

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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2005, 02:10:57 PM »
i guess im in the same boat as triggerman...i have used strong stuff in dry, but in all my experiences with the SCB on dry it just does not work. sure i can get to the pocket, but striking is another matter. for me, the SCB just burns up way too much energy and has nothing left on the backend to finish strong. so for me and i would imagine many others, only use the SCB on floods. i prefer to play as straight as possible on dry and find i can usually only do this /w weak reactive pearl/polished balls.
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Ragnar

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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2005, 02:22:05 PM »
Guys, what I'm bowling on is pretty heavy oil for 40 feet then flying, double stripped back ends.  The SCB handles the oil very well and just doesn't over react on the dry - but it gets me further left on the approach than I want to be (5 boards +/- from the return on the even nos.).  I am NOT bowling on dry by any means.
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Re: what is available, from Lane #1?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2005, 02:23:33 PM »
Please read what I said:

 
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sometimes, the best choice (or at least an effective available choice) is a ball with a low RG core and aggressive cover.  


Note the word sometimes; I did not state this as an absolute.

There are also potential issues with weak reactives wrapped around weak cores. The problem is that even weak resins want to bite in the dry. That's just the nature of reactive resins. In many cases, you find that you have to kill even weak resins to keep them in the pocket. Combine this with the hit of a weak core, and the situation can get ugly.

There are no absolutes here; each situation is different, and if you want to be successful, you have to understand and keep your options open.
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