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Storm269

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What is the differences ?
« on: January 21, 2009, 11:26:02 AM »
May I know what is the differences in ball reaction between a diamond core and a bomb core ? Which type of core is more suitable for a bowler playing up the board ? Thanks !
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 07:47:41 PM »
I've had tons of success with both
bomb cores should flip a bit more, diamonds rollier

I guess it would help to know what you are thinking of buying
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 07:51:20 PM »
diamond cores are GENERALLY more stable throughout the lane and LESS flippy...

Bomb cores seem to be either a hit or miss, dependant on speed vs amount of revs on ball.. along with lane condition.
 
That being said I seem to match up better with diamonds.....
I have around 300 revs and 17 mph..... and have little trouble getting to the pocket from anywhere on the lanes.


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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 09:36:07 PM »
i think the cover plays more of a role than the core as far as that goes

you can still put a diamond and wrap it in plastic and it would be great for up the board same goes for the bomb core


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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 11:29:23 PM »
So if a bowler doesn't match up with the ball means he doesn't match up with the cover and not the core ?
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 06:29:17 AM »
bomb cores in general pull further down the lane and want to flip more on the back end and as said diamonds tend to be a little rollier

why some dont match up

bomb core with higher speed lower revs, the ball will tend to push too far and miss the break (can be fixed by a little surface on the ball generally)

bomb core lower speed higer revs, wants to flip hard off the spot and reads the dry early, (once again surface change can make a difference)

diamond core higher speed lower revs, the diamond tends to want to start up earlier in most cases, but this seems to be ideal for most of the bowlers I see

diamond core lower speed higher revs, once again too much friction off the spot

all of these condtions can be controlled better by drilling and or surface prep

I was one of those lower speed higher rev guys (15 mph, 425 revs) everything came off the friction hard no matter what, I always played in deep , to me the bombs didnt cut it, they had lost so much energy they didnt have the pop for me.  I did work on speed and have since adjusted my speed to revs ratio a little better and learned some hand adjustments, softer hand techniques and they have been wonderful.  The bomb cores now are very good, and the diamonds still rock, best ball i had for playing outside from lane 1 was the hybrid dirty bomb, (outside for me was prolly a 10-3 type shot, not necessarily up the boards, I have a weakly drilled tsunami that I can really fly up the outside that is money on tough shots, i play alot of times 5-3 with that ball

drilling, surface prep and bowlers style will dictate more of playing up the boards then anything
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 06:28:26 PM »
"bomb core with higher speed lower revs, the ball will tend to push too far and miss the break (can be fixed by a little surface on the ball generally)"

I think this is what is happening to me....Triggerman I have a AO which is in OOB surface, what do you suggest that I should do ?
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 10:39:59 PM »
whats it doing?  the AO is not really a bomb core as it has flip blocks on both ends?
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 11:02:14 PM »
1more flips

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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 11:04:07 PM »
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Diamond core: decent, not great, but decent.


Bomb core: absolute, unadulterated, epic fail of catastrophic proportions.


For you, perhaps. Not for everyone.

For me: Bomb-cored gear is very average, condition-specific. Diamond core -- particularly the Tsunami core with embedded "nuggets" (or flip pieces if you prefer) is one of the 3-4 best cores ever put in a ball, right up there with Storm's FE2 and RAD cores.

The key is how it works for each individual. Some people can't throw Storm's RAD-cored ball very well. But the fact that these cores do help some people's games means they are not failures by any measure. Just more Lane #1 haterade.

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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 03:40:39 AM »
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whats it doing?  the AO is not really a bomb core as it has flip blocks on both ends?
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Actually is what it is not doing at the moment, I have the AO and the Storm VG, both are drilled pin under ring with cg out. I was trying them on a pair on a pair fresh lanes....playing my usual down the 5th board. When the VG hits the dry, it make an aggressive turn to the pocket but as for the AO, when it hits the dry, it did turn the corner but in a smooth arc and most of the time, didn't hit the 1-2 pocket but hit the 2-4 pocket instead.


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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 05:37:27 AM »
take it to 2k abralon and see


do you have a weight hole in the AO? and if so did you follow the instructions on the drill sheet that make suggestions per your rev rate and top weight the ball started with?
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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2009, 10:04:27 PM »
I do have a weight hole about an inch below my thumb but not too sure about the top weight.


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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2009, 09:48:16 AM »
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I do have a weight hole about an inch below my thumb but not too sure about the top weight.

what was the ball out of box top weight?  not a fan of double thumbs on this core,
the drill sheet has some instructions for x hole placement depending on revs and speed

I would still try the ball at 2k abralon prior to polish


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Re: What is the differences ?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 06:40:18 PM »
If I don't remember wrongly...top weight is about 3.5 oz.
I will bring it down to 1000 abralon and try it out before going down to 2000.
This top weight thingy only applies to Buzzbomb and AO ? What abt the THS and the Dynamo ?
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