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monstercrank

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what would be stronger
« on: March 26, 2006, 04:06:00 AM »
pin under ring cg kicked or pin under ring stacked. also what would be the strongest possible layout for an enriched for a high tracker.
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2006, 01:53:01 PM »
anyone?
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Roy Munson

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2006, 01:57:36 PM »
I would guess it would be cg kicked out since it is more unstable rotation, but I'm not a driller.
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2006, 02:50:48 PM »
cg out would be a more continious arc, stacked would give you a stronger backend and more length
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2006, 04:36:42 PM »
Strongest in what way? total overall hook or backend hook. . .
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2006, 04:47:35 PM »
more backend hook
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2006, 05:14:12 PM »
hey as$wipe,

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  read again - guess and not a driller
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monstercrank

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2006, 06:06:35 PM »
by strongest I mean overall hook. and how does cg not matter if the ball is symetrical, do you mean if I drilled it pin down and cg over the fingers the only difference it would make is were the x hole goes? that dosent sound right to me, but I am not a driller.

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2006, 07:21:55 PM »
apologies accepted!
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Carolina Kingpin

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2006, 07:30:29 PM »
Delete,
Actually, the placement of the cg matters more on a symmetrical ball than it does on an asymmetrical ball. On a symmetrical ball, the cg affects where the second preferred spin axis is located, unlike on asym's, where the second PSA is determined primarily by the core.

Also, the ratio of the topweight to the weight of the ball is not a very useful way to characterize the potential effect of the cg. What matters is how much leverage is produced by the cg. Leverage is a function of the mass on the end of the lever--the topweight--and the length of the lever. One ounce on a 15lb. ball with a low average rg will have more of an effect than one ounce on a high rg ball. So, it matters how the 15lbs. are distributed relative to the center of the ball.

From the Ebonite website:

"The minimal effects of static weights stem from their limited leverage. One ounce of static weight equals 1/64th of an inch from the geometric center of the ball. The furthest that the center of gravity can be from the center of the ball at maximum ABC limits is 3/64th of an inch.

Now compare this to the radius of gyration limits. On the low side of ABC limits is 2.43. This means that the mass displacement is 2.43 inches from the geometric center of the ball. The upper limit is 2.80 inches. Sounds to me like a bigger lever arm compared to 3/64th of an inch. You can alter your ball motion much greater by changing RG's than static weights."

Notice that the word "minimal" is used--not zero.

To answer the original question, the effect (though small) of swinging the cg counter-clockwise from the pin, all else equal, is to make the ball rev sooner/ use its energy faster. A common way of describing the effect is to increase midlane read. Whether or not this results in more overall hook depends on the lane condition. If the pattern is long, for example, earlier revs could increase hook by keeping the ball from sliding past the breakpoint. On the other hand, if the pattern is short, then earlier revs could cause the ball to burn up, decreasing hook.

In any case, the effect of the cg is minimal and not nearly as important as placement of the pin.

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2006, 07:54:48 PM »
You're right. I don't watch videos of robots throwing bowling balls. There are better videos to watch on the internet.

Edited on 3/28/2006 8:55 PM

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2006, 09:05:25 PM »
enough about CG, we're not getting into it again.

and for everyone that wants to see the brunswick video who hasnt...
here it is...

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/vids/CG_demo_5-05.wmv

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monstercrank

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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2006, 09:46:42 AM »
so what would the absolute strongest pin position be for total board coverage?
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2006, 10:26:25 AM »
CG kicked out will cause more side weight and an earlier roll... stacked is still a strong drill, its just that kicking the the cg out to the right further will allow the ball to set up earlier and have more of a strong arc reaction vs, a stacked reaction which would be slightly less, but more of a full jerk on the back end.
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Re: what would be stronger
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2006, 10:40:33 AM »
thx inferno-if that twat re read what i was saying , he would see its similar to your comments..cg will create roll and arc, stack more length and backend pop
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