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maximus

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why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« on: March 03, 2004, 10:30:47 AM »
When I look at other companies I see all different kinds of cores some are strong and some are melo but when I look at lane 1 all I see are diamond cores so does that mean lane 1 has run out of ideas on making cores or is there r and d not doing there job.  You can only do so much with a diamond and they will run out of ideas sooner or later prolly sooner.

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Brickguy221

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2004, 09:18:14 AM »
Kincaid, it probably amounts to two things:

1. Continued usage of the diamond core goes back to an old time saying of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
2. If you have a product that covers everything, why mess with it when not needed? I will probably catch some flack for saying this, but I will say it anyhow and that is.... All of these core changes the other companys keep coming out with are more like sales gimmics than improvements, in order to get people to buy their products, wanting to buy the latest, newest, best, etc. For example look at Ebonite and it's V2 line. This line of balls has been around for a long time and is still one of if not their most popular line of balls and these balls will still cover all conditions, hit just as hard, carry just as well, etc. as all of the new cores being produced today. Cover changes and not core changes are what is needed and Lane 1 does that part just like all of the other companys do.

Ok, all of you Lane 1 haters, go ahead and shoot me now...lol and say what you want as this is the only post I am going to make on this subject.
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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2004, 09:38:19 AM »
I agree with brickguy, It is a sales gimmick of other companies
to produce alot of balls with exotic weight blocks and covers.
Brick made a good point, about the V2 balls infact the V2 weight block
came from the Nitro R2. HHMMM makes you think now If it isn't broke
don't fix it. And the theory that these new balls out hook and out
proform the older ones that a joke. I can use my Turbo X and score
or my Storm Thunder and get the same great results as i do with my
Gold Nugget. If the Diamond cores were a bad , Then they wouldn't keep
using them. Just as Ebonite has been using the Nitro R2 core for the past several years. Think about it, It works .
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bamaster

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2004, 09:09:34 AM »
All the balls in the V2 series does not share the same weight block.  

The Nitro R/2 was a nice ball, but the difference with the V2 is that the core/coverstock combination was a perfect compliment.  It wasn't the core, it was the combination that made it successful.

I am not a Lane 1 hater, but I do not buy the idea that every coverstock can fit on basically the same core. Although that does seem to be what Lane 1 is doing.  You HAVE to tweak the cores to get different rg/diffs.  If they have been using Brunswick covers, which were not designed FOR the diamond cores, I have to question how optimized they are for each other.  

Lane 1 does change the cores to achieve different specs.  They have their own style to say the least.  Just because it works doesn't mean it can't be better.

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Brickguy221

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2004, 04:41:55 PM »
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...All the balls in the V2 series does not share the same weight block.
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Although I failed to specifically say which V2 balls, I was refering to the older V2's as I said these balls have been around for years. The V2 Pearl, Sanded, and Particle all had the same core, but different covers. The Pearl is no longer available but the Sanded and Particle still available. Also even the new V2 Clean shares this same core, but with a different cover. The cores in the other new V2's are similar, but tweeked, so they are a bit different. Lane 1 has done the same thing with their cores. They use the original diamond core, added a nugget, added 2 nuggets, added a flip block, varied the combination of the nuggets with the flip block, and used various covers on each and they have been successful in the same way as Ebonite has done simply by changing covers and tweeking their cores also in the older V2's well as the newer ones.

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2004, 03:39:04 AM »
so 10 years from now we are still going to see that same old diamond core that's in the purple?  If that's the case how about lane 1 getting covers from other companies like Storm and Columbia and Ebonite.  Why just limit it to Brunswick?  I'd like to see a lane 1 core in a storm cover.  


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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2004, 08:50:35 AM »
As far as covers are concerned, Brunswick supplies everything they they want, so why go elsewhere to buy the covers? Lane 1 is very-very successful with what they do and how they do it, so why mess with it?.....Remember the old saying of...."if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2004, 09:31:07 AM »
You have to remeber that, just because the shape is the same, that doesn't mean the densities will be. You change the densities of the interior parts of the weightblocks and you get different RG and Diff. numbers.

 The diamond shape seems to lend itself well to doing just this. By adding flip blocks (Bombs) and dense "mini nuggets", and by moving them around inside the diamond, a multitude of different numbers can be achieved just by shifting densitied and positions. With todays cover stock technology, ball reaction is all about combinations of coverstock and rg-diff numbers. If you can do all this and not have to change shapes, and in fact try to capitalize on the "patented diamond core", then why not?
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Brickguy221

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2004, 09:55:02 AM »
Darreyl, excellent explaination. No one could have explained it better than you have explained here.

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2004, 11:30:08 AM »
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You have to remeber that, just because the shape is the same, that doesn't mean the densities will be. You change the densities of the interior parts of the weightblocks and you get different RG and Diff. numbers.


I agree.  But this logic defeats the value in the patented diamond core (which by the way every core by every ball company is patented).

I mean, if rg/diff is the only thing that matters to weight blocks, then where is the value in the diamond?  Their numbers can be easily reproduced with almost any symmetrical shape.  Changing isotopes and densities is what every company does.

I'm not convinced, however, that the diamond shape is more versatile than the Ebonite V2, for example.  Ebonite has been very successful in playing with densities and nuggets for different rg/diffs.  

By the way, from what I remember, no one can patent a shape.  But they can patent an exact shape for a specific purpose, i.e. a bowling ball.  And they would need to do this for every core variation.  I could be wrong here.

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2004, 03:19:46 PM »
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But this logic defeats the value in the patented diamond core (which by the way every core by every ball company is patented).
Not every core shape is patented. As a matter of fact, very few core designs are patented. It would take too long and cost too much to get every design patented.

This is why you see the same core used by different companies, i.e. Reaction Rip by Columbia is the same as the Hammer Deisel. Also, the lightbulb core was used by most companies. =:^D
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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2004, 03:29:54 PM »
Why do companies put "NEW and IMPROVED" on the labels? Just like tuna, to get you to buy it. If lane1 says their diamond core is better, and you believe them, whose fault is that?

 It is not necessarily better, but they may think so. And without hundreds of thousands of dollars to do research, who can argue?

 Maybe it IS better, maybe not, but the fact is it will work better for some than others.  For those who it works for, the statement is true.
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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2004, 04:02:02 PM »
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Not every core shape is patented. As a matter of fact, very few core designs are patented. It would take too long and cost too much to get every design patented.

This is why you see the same core used by different companies, i.e. Reaction Rip by Columbia is the same as the Hammer Deisel. Also, the lightbulb core was used by most companies. =:^D


I am pretty sure a patent is applied for almost every dynamic core.  It costs $170 to file for a patent... and instantly you are Patent Pending.  A patent has to be very specific and every time Lane 1 changes any specs, they have to re-apply.  

The reason is that if Brunswick didn't patent their Zone cores, everyone would have used them and Brunswick would have lost out on their market when the Zones were king.

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Re: why does lane 1 only have diamond cores?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2004, 04:32:26 PM »
For me it's as my friend said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Sure, all the cores are diamonds, but as was sadid, the flip blocks and mini diamonds make them different. Also, with the uranium, they are using their densest core material ever. If you are thinking of trying a buzzsaw i'd recommend that the cranberry be your 1st one. I don't own one, but my pro shop guy said it is identical in reaction to the blueberry, which is a very versatile ball.I've never had 2 of the same ball in my bag. I have 2 blueberries. One is pin axis, other is pin above fingers, cg in grip center.
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