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Broncobiv

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Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« on: March 30, 2005, 11:52:56 AM »
Let me start by saying "hi" to the forum because I just got my first Lane #1 ball!  I received a NIB Solid Uranium in the mail yesterday and I dropped it off today to get drilled.  I had talked to the pro shop guy about what ball would be best for me, and we settled on this one.  So I found a good price online and here we are.

The only problem is that it has a 4.2 oz top weight.  The pin is 2-2.5 inches.  He said that that much top weight would make a label drill impossible, which is what he had envisioned doing with it.  I'm not very knowledgable about the dynamics of drilling, but he's basically going to have to move the CG and maybe the pin out to the side, away from the holes and stuff.  Or something.  I think you know what I mean.

He told me that it will roll more and not be as explosive in the backend, but it would still be alright.  He was assuring me that it would still be a good ball, just not quite what he would've liked to do with it.  What do you think?  Am I going to have a sissy Solid Uranium now that the drill will have to be tamer?  Can it be anywhere close to where it would with a lower top weight?  I'm picking it up tomorrow, so we'll see what he ended up doing.  I'm just a bit worried.
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2005, 08:30:38 PM »
Drill it label drill it however you want,  the top wieght will give it some length.  No matter what the drill or top wieght this ball can't be "explosive on the backend" due to the really low RG and super grabby coverstock.  Almost all the Solids I have seen especially the early runs had high tops no biggy.  This ball even polished is not going to be explosive on the backend I promise you.   I hope he hasn't punched it yet.  Dril it label without any fear and you won't be disapointed.  This ball is an archy ball period no more needs to be said it rolls early enough.
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2005, 08:33:03 PM »
Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be snappy at all.  That's not what I was looking for.  I think his main concern was getting it under the 3 oz top weight limit, otherwise it's illegal.  If it was drilled label, wouldn't it need a huge weight hole or something?  Eh, it all confuses me.  His demeanor when I told him the top weight just seemed to put a damper on my excitement.

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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2005, 08:35:02 PM »
Uh, I'm pretty sure if he moved the CG out, you'd need a BIGGER weighthole, if you even need one for label.  I always thought that label was the easiest to make legal.  Thing is, drilling the finger/thumb holes takes out a couple ounces, so I'd be inclined to think that the label drill would be legal...
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2005, 09:01:22 PM »
So if I call him tomorrow morning, hoping that he hasn't already drilled it tonight, should I go in there and tell him to drill it label anyway?  If so, how does he get the top weight to a legal amount...just a weight hole?  And if it's that easy, why has he already seemed to rule out a label drill?  I'm just not really sure what to suggest, knowing very little about drilling.  Thanks!
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2005, 09:01:28 PM »
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Uh, I'm pretty sure if he moved the CG out, you'd need a BIGGER weighthole, if you even need one for label.  I always thought that label was the easiest to make legal.  Thing is, drilling the finger/thumb holes takes out a couple ounces, so I'd be inclined to think that the label drill would be legal...
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Exactly the closer you keep the pin and cg to your grip/fingers the more top thats coming out.
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2005, 09:04:04 PM »
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So if I call him tomorrow morning, hoping that he hasn't already drilled it tonight, should I go in there and tell him to drill it label anyway?  If so, how does he get the top weight to a legal amount...just a weight hole?  And if it's that easy, why has he already seemed to rule out a label drill?  I'm just not really sure what to suggest, knowing very little about drilling.  Thanks!

From all that I understand, I do believe the ball should be legal, without a weighthole.  The math makes sense.  You have the extra four ounces, when you can only have 3.  But putting the CG (the center of the weight) inbetween the fingers, would help take out the most weight, probably a couple ounces from drilling out holes in the ball.  So going by that, you should be under the legal limit.  If there isn't anything missing, I'm quite confused why your driller thinks that it wouldn't work, and that moving the CG out farther would help.  It would only make you have to put a big weighthole.
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2005, 09:10:56 PM »
Drill it label and no you shouldn't need a hole i didn't and my top was also 4.2  Sounds like your dirller is either inexperienced or doesn't like Lane#1 balls.  I have only one question your profile says you have a Ultimate Inferno, how is it drilled, as you may or may not know the Solid Uraium shares coverstocks with this ball and although the cores are different the reaction is going to be very similiar.  Is your Ultimate kept polished if not I would reccomend it if you want the Solid to be stronger.
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2005, 09:37:28 PM »
My original Inferno actually hooks more than my Ultimate.  It's more overall, but it also hooks a bit earlier.  I got the Ultimate about 8 or 9 months ago, and I was never very impressed with it.  It looks like a label drill, but the pin is above the ring finger by about an inch and just off to the right side.  It never had the major hook "as advertised".  Not sure if that's due to the pin length (about 4.25") or what, but oh well.

My line is pretty consistent with both balls, just a few boards difference on stance and mark.  I used to stand on 25 and throw over the second arrow.  But now it seems that neither of my balls hook enough to do that anymore (unless the lanes are dried up after leagues).  So I normally start by lining up near the 22 board and throwing at a mark around 6 or 8 at the arrows.  If the lanes are extra oily I'll even stand around the 17 board and throw it down the first arrow.  

I kept the Ultimate in box condition.  It's shinier now than it was new obviously due to oil saturation.  I had it sanded back down to box finish once, but fairly soon after that it was back to shiny like usual.  So I don't worry too much about it.  I just thought it was time for a new, stronger ball...enter the Solid Uranium.

Oh, and my driller doesn't "dislike" Lane #1 balls.  He throws a Solid Uranium also, which is why he knows it's so good.  

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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2005, 09:43:05 PM »
Do you now your ball speed I am guessing either you have slower speed and the Ultimate is reading too early i see a lot of that or there is simply not enough oil and it appears not to hook.  I am afriad either of these will also happen wiht the solid if the above is true.  I am goign to bed for now i will check this in the morning and try and help you more.  I suggest taking the solid uranium up to a higher grit 1500 or even 2000 and then slap some polish on it and see if it doesn't out hook your original inferno then.  Sounds like your orig inferno is covering more boards because it is a pearl and want lose as much energy as the ultimate.
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
Nope, I've never known my speed.  I don't even want to estimate beacuse I'd probably be wrong.  The lanes I bowl on are more on the oily side compared to the others in town.  If I use the Ultimate in fresh oil for league, where there should definitely be enough, the original still out-hooks it.  Not sure if it's my ball speed or revs or what.  But I'm also heading off for the night, and thanks for the help so far!
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2005, 05:45:49 AM »
Normal gripping holes with a label drill take out 2 - 2 1/2 ox. of top weight. 4.2 oz. minus 2 oz = 2.2 top weight left at the very worst with a label drill.

Off label drillings reduce top weight even more. A 4 1/4 x 4 1/4 stack is a good drilling to consider and you won't need that big of a weight hole to get the side weight back to legal either. Good luck with the ball. =:^D
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2005, 08:54:38 AM »
My only concern withthe label drilloing on the Uranium is that my experience with them has not been all that positive for a lot of different bowlers.

What I have found is that label drills work well for the population who have some snap on the ball....they got revs in other words. I have had some problems with label drills for the low to med rev rate bowlers. They don't seem to be able to get the angle on the pocket to carry. I think it is due to the length generated withthat pattern.

If you want the solid as an oiler I'd definitely suggest a 4x3 or 4x4 drilling as opposed to the label drill.

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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2005, 03:09:50 PM »
Just an update.  I got it drilled yesterday after going in there right when the pro shop opened so I could talk to him about the whole situation.  After everyone's advice about it being very possible to still drill it label, I decided that I needed to go in for more information.

It turns out that the only reason for not drilling it label was that the bridge could crack later down the road.  He knew it was "possible" to drill it label.  But since he would have to drill the finger holes deeper than normal to take out the extra top weight (and because finger grips will add some weight back on), he was worried about cracking...just because it is important to keep the shop's reputation and professionalism up.  And that makes sense to me, you don't want to drill something and have it crack on a guy later on.  But once he explained that to me and we talked about it, we went ahead with the label drill.

The bottom of the finger holes cracked through at the very bottom where they met up (like my driller said it would), but I guess that's no guarantee that it will end up cracking all the way to the top.  I mean, even if it does, it won't affect the ball any.  And if for some reason the bridge cracks out completely, I guess I can just have it plugged and re-drill the finger holes the same again.

In the end everything worked out well.  He said the ending top weight was about 2.9.  Not too bad!  I just wasn't altogether sure why he didn't want to drill it label.  Not because he "couldn't", but because he was being cautious with cracking.  Thanks for everyone's help!  Oh, and Doug, hopefully that doesn't happen to me.  I guess if I can't carry, I'll just have to learn to snap it a bit more.  
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Re: Will too much top weight hurt my Solid Uranium?
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2005, 05:27:53 PM »
What?  Label drilling would have NOTHING to do with the holes cracking at the bottom.  No, I can't even think of a scenario why only a label drill would make a ball crack.  Sounds like he messed up your ball, a label drill has nothing to do with if a ball will crack or not, so I don't know where he got that from...

Fact of the matter is, like others have said, it would have been EASIEST to drill it label, regarding top weight.  If he had to drill the holes deeper for label, he would have had to drill them even deeper if he wanted to swing out the CG.  This whole thing don't add up...

I may come off as negative, but I seriously have no idea what he was talking about...Nothing he said makes any sense.  Oh well, hope it doesn't crack further and you like the ball.
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