Post by: triggerman on October 22, 2007, 05:39:43 AM
lanes are synthetic overlasy 40ish feet of oil ths, punched the ball up on sunday, got to hit the lanes after about 14 games of youth bowlers on it. so backs a tad soft, but the outside still violent
Me:
pap 5 over up 0, 17 mph, 425 plus revs
ball:
15# 3 oz with 4.5 top and 2-3 pin
drilling:
pin in ring, mass bias even with thumb 2.5 inches right of thumb, basically 4.5 pin to pap, mb at about 50*
first impressions: smooth on the lanes, did not over react up front, but once to the dry the ball moved and moved hard, tremendous hit and carry, great looking peice on the lanes as well. I will be throwing this ball on 4 different shots/surfaces this week, will be posting up a formal review of this ball on friday. so far very impressive, as what i have seen thus far this ball will replace my off colored cherry c2, great looking addition to the supernova line, cannot wait to put this thru the paces, short amount of time in my hands, it has garnered attention like you wouldnt beleive. will def be a big seller/must have
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 22, 2007, 01:45:51 PM
Post by: triggerman on October 22, 2007, 02:00:29 PM
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Post by: revTrex on October 22, 2007, 02:09:08 PM
I ask this not in the hope of criticizing Lane 1 or pushing AMF, but I would think that it just wouldn't make for good business sense if mrbowlingnut's suggestion was true. Then again, people will pay for a name...
I doubt they are the exact same cover, though they have similar coloration. Dyes do not a cover make.
Furthermore, it should be noted that Lane 1, MoRich, and other companies whose balls feature non-in-house coverstocks, often make requests in regards to the formulations desired. Whether it be because of an additive or some other modification, the Lane 1 covers are most likely not the same as 900G's or AMF's.
On a side note, unless you have evidence or first-hand knowledge, I would think it best to not spread falsities, or even wonder in such a way as to create a false impression. And if you do have evidence, then proclaim it. Until then, all you are doing is stirring a pot that doesn't need stirring. It would be unfair to AMF, 900G, and Lane 1, to hint at something nigh-deceitful, without giving ample explanation for your thoughts (besides the color of the balls).
Post by: 302efi on October 22, 2007, 03:35:37 PM
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Dyes do not a cover make.
If you ask Brunswick it does
To be honest, whats really wrong with a company just changing around some names and using the same covers on other makes of balls ?
I mean it saves money as no further R&D is needed and as long as its quality cover, by all means reuse it on some other gear !
Whenever Lane #1 used Brunswick and used the regular PK18 and Activator, the balls were money !
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Post by: Steven on October 22, 2007, 03:35:43 PM
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If it was the same cover, you'd have to wonder about the substantial price difference even more than you usually would. Why would you pay $60-100 more for a Saw, when you could have an almost identical ball reaction for so much less?
revTrex: As with most Saws, what you're buying is the core. I'm not saying diamond based cores react better, but they are subtly different. For some bowlers, that difference is a good thing and worth whatever price difference you might see. If a bowler believes (right or wrong) that the 'difference' is worth 5-10 pins a game in average, then $60 difference is a nit.
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Post by: revTrex on October 22, 2007, 10:22:17 PM
Average Saw -- 230-270
Do the math.
Post by: triggerman on October 22, 2007, 11:15:15 PM
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Post by: revTrex on October 22, 2007, 11:29:20 PM
Anyways...sorry for getting this little post off the main topic.
Were you able to confirm the use of a "new" formulation? Is the XP really XPlosive, or is it just another name for a common cover?
Post by: scotts33 on October 22, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
Edited on 10/23/2007 4:56 AM
Post by: revTrex on October 23, 2007, 12:55:55 AM
If I bought the NHP online or through my normal means...I could have it for 115-130 drilled, out the door. Again, much less than your "reduced cost" Saw.
Furthermore, your insistence that, "plus, the Saw is a premium"..."while the NHP is mid-plus"...has nothing whatsoever to do with performance (price does not equal success, especially in the case of so-called "uber-premium" brands such as Lane #1). It's the biggest bunch of laughable BS the world has ever seen; the Kool-Aid must have gone straight to your head, bro. It makes me wonder, do you feel special with a Saw in your bag? Does it make you feel more manly?
You Sawheads sure are loyal, though; I'll give you that. Any fan that is willing to stand by and defend a company that can't even get the grammar, syntax, and word choices right in its marketing releases impresses the hell out of me. From the "tedious" testing that went into the first Supernova, to the XP "reeking" havoc, I've got to hand it to the folks at Lane #1. Way to go Ritchie -- you can design bowling balls, sell them slightly above their true value because of a created image, possibly use other companies' covers while still calling them something else...but you still can't make it out of English Language 101, or, God forbid, elementary school...
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Post by: triggerman on October 23, 2007, 07:50:47 AM
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Were you able to confirm the use of a "new" formulation? Is the XP really XPlosive, or is it just another name for a common cover?
I was told by my rep that this cover is a combination of pearls, it has the same base as the evolution, but has an additional pearl formulation added to it. the ball feels tackier then the Evolution, grips more in the mid lane, and def moves harder off the dry then the evo. I have similar drillings on the two balls, pin to pap is right at 4.5 with the evo being pin under, and the XP being pin in ring, mass bias on evo is closer to thumb, where as the XP is kicked a little further right.
As far as the XP I will be punching a hole in the side of it tonight, as I saw way too much mid lane, and not enough push to get it out where I needed to play, even on a heavier shot.(side and thumb are pretty high on this ball, need to take some of it out this evening)
I will say once I get this dialed in, based upon what I have seen thus far, this ball will give anything out this year a run for ball of the year. I like my lane #1 stuff, but this ball flat out shines I really thought the supernova could not be improved on, but this ball makes it look old lol (and the solid SN is money to me, shot 650+ 3 of my last 4 leagues
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Post by: revTrex on October 23, 2007, 08:25:33 AM
On edit -- FYI, BO, the comparison to the NHP was originally based off the concern of a few folks that the cover on the XP was almost the same as the one on the NHP. As we all know the cover is the most important factor in ball reaction (it is, end of story, we can run tests till the cows come home), it would seem the comparison wasn't all that off -- mildly asymmetrical core with a strong (possibly quite similar) pearl cover. The descriptions people have been giving about the XP match up almost exactly with the descriptions some have about the NHP -- that's all I'm saying.
Edited on 10/23/2007 8:28 AM
Post by: T-GOD on October 23, 2007, 11:36:13 AM
Post by: triggerman on October 23, 2007, 11:53:50 AM
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anyone have the numbers for the XP? I found the NHP, 2.52/.042, but I am interested in the XP, as long as it doesnt have the same cover as the NHP. I am guessing that the XP has a stronger MB? That would explain the stronger midlane, but, they were both produced at the same plant, and they look the same, I may be talking myself out of spending the extra money.
different covers, if not mistaken the night hawk pearl is an exact remake of the original, the XP had a tweaked formulation for a coverstock, something lane #1 helped mix
I would assume the numbers are the same too
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Post by: triggerman on October 23, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
rg min 2.493
rg max 2.546
diff .054
mb .007
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Post by: revTrex on October 23, 2007, 12:36:39 PM
Post by: triggerman on October 23, 2007, 12:41:46 PM
here is a quote from Eric thomas in the amf thread
quote:I take this as original superflex pearl
Numbers are the same, core is the same, cover is the same with pearl added. With the success we have seen we didnt want to divert from the course.
what lane #1 told me is that they came up with 4 variations of the coverstock formulations, with different additives which did different things, they settled on the one the used as in their ppinion it is slightly tackier and earlier on the lanes
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Post by: revTrex on October 23, 2007, 01:20:37 PM
The NHP reacts on more than just super clean backends. And if you remember, Phil (newguy) said in a post about the Black Nighthawk that there was an additive added for today's oil...so if they added pearl to the Black Nighthawk's cover...it would be like the original NHP with an additive for today's oil.
It's confusing, I know. Hell, I'm confused.
I'll check on the NHP's cover.
Post by: revTrex on October 23, 2007, 03:39:47 PM
NHP's cover is the Black Night Hawks with pearl, meaning that it is straight Superflex with pearl.
Sorry for the confusion, everyone, and sorry, Trig, for being insistent. I was confused, like I said, by Phil's comment, but, after speaking with Eric, all has been made clear.
I was wrong, and I admit it. Deal?
Post by: Grayson on October 23, 2007, 04:38:22 PM
The Supernova as a pearl version... so is it a particle pearl?
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 23, 2007, 08:58:13 PM
Go figure......
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 23, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
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Post by: triggerman on October 23, 2007, 09:50:52 PM
Tonight I shot my first ever 300, I did it with the Xp, and crushed 12 shots, this ball is absolutely amazing, carried well, pushed nice, and just destroyed the rack. In this little town in north central Indiana this is the second 300 in 3 days for the Supernova XP, testimonials dont do it justice. this ball just flat out kills the rack
Thanks Chuck, thanks Richie. I am so pumped right now, 300's for a lot of you guys dont mean squat but to this 40 year old guy, it means a ton. This ball is just that good
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Post by: The_one_lane_1 on October 23, 2007, 09:53:37 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on October 23, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 23, 2007, 10:18:06 PM
This ball is making some noise....did you end up drilling your's similar to mine?
Can't wait for leagues this week.....
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Post by: triggerman on October 23, 2007, 10:29:51 PM
Doug, I ended up drilling mine similar to yours, I put the pin in ring finger tho, mb out about 2" right of thumb, ended up being 1/2 oz positive side and 1/4 oz thumb, I was goiing to punch a weight hole in it tonight and once I weighed it up decided against it, I got out of the gate great shot 224 with two opens, screwed around in the second game with a combo of the the xp and solid supernova, just playing too deep, switched back to the xp, moved back to original line and changed my target on the lanes, 12 later I have my first 300. want to talk about being stoked. this ball in my opinion is great. it is the bowler that shoots the score but the xp just is a great great ball, it really shines. cant wait till weds to throw it on a shorter pattern to see what it can do
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Post by: markb on October 24, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
Post by: triggerman on October 26, 2007, 12:22:20 AM
671 (with a 300) 704, 678, pretty darn good week if i do say so myself
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Post by: triggerman on October 26, 2007, 10:32:45 AM
ball is versitle, it looks good and it is a monster in the pocket
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Post by: T-GOD on October 26, 2007, 10:46:19 AM