Post by: Shaggy on August 26, 2003, 09:25:58 AM
Post by: thegame on August 30, 2003, 06:27:39 PM
Post by: HamPster on August 30, 2003, 06:33:14 PM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: thegame on August 30, 2003, 06:37:11 PM
Post by: HamPster on August 30, 2003, 06:47:09 PM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: HamPster on August 30, 2003, 07:12:01 PM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: Bjaardker on August 31, 2003, 02:58:25 AM
Post by: D McLaughlin on August 31, 2003, 03:57:55 AM
Post by: lane1lefty on August 31, 2003, 04:42:07 AM
Post by: seadrive on August 31, 2003, 08:46:42 AM
I don't particularly like Columbia 300, so I tend to ignore posts in that section. Buzzhaters seem to be a breed like no other; hopefully a dying breed.
BTW, Darren, was clicking the Post button on your (complimentary
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Bjaardker on August 31, 2003, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on August 31, 2003, 07:39:28 PM
Post by: lane1lefty on August 31, 2003, 08:05:21 PM
Post by: HamPster on August 31, 2003, 08:09:06 PM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: Brickguy221 on August 31, 2003, 08:21:43 PM
Edited on 8/31/2003 8:32 PM
Post by: Strider on August 31, 2003, 08:37:16 PM
I would love to see a comparison of the XXL, Blue Slate Gargoyle, and Blue Pearl Hammer myself. After a tournament with burnt heads, a pearl urethane sounds like what the doctor ordered.
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Penn State Proud ......THB with loft
Post by: Brickguy221 on August 31, 2003, 09:39:59 PM
Post by: Buzzhead on August 31, 2003, 10:44:41 PM
I rarely go into any companies that I do not throw. I visit lane 1, Storm, RotoGrip, and Brunswick. Other than that I could care less what everyone else throws. When one of us sawheads defend our position we must be rich to thow those expensive orbs..
My bag consists of this.
Lane #1
Pearl Carbide Bomb cost me $55 plus $17 to plug and redrill.
Blueberry bought new $150 plus $25 to drill.
Viper cost $50 plus $17 to plug and redrill
XXXL cost $99 plus $25 to drill
Storm
Eraser $35 nothing else.
Flame Reactive traded an unused ball. nothing else.
Roto Grip
Assault traded a used ball I bought on here for it. cost $15 to plug and redrill
Assault Pearl $30 plus $8 to plug thumb.
I really do not see any expensive balls in there.
I paid $220 with drilling for 2 balls only, a HPH, and a HPC. I will not pay retail for anything.
I change my own inserts at .80 each from my local MOOSE LODGE BOWLING CENTER.
and IF I were to buy a new ball other than a Saw (which will be from Doug Sterner) I would probably buy it through them too at $10 over cost.
I have spent way more money on Brunswick Zones than I have in the 6 buzzsaws I have had. (I had to buy all of them new as this site was not around.)
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Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins
Post by: Charles on August 31, 2003, 11:38:58 PM
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ATTENTION ALL BUZZSAW HATERS! Here is your golden opportunity to shut your mouth, bring your money, and add to my Buzzsaw arsenal by losing like the rest.
Post by: Saw Mill on August 31, 2003, 11:52:28 PM
Dave
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If You Are Not the Lead SAW, All You Get is SAWdust!!
Post by: Steven on September 01, 2003, 05:21:44 PM
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Why not just find yourself an old school hammer pearl for 1/2 the price?
Bjaardker: If you owned and experienced a plastic XXXL, you wouldn't be asking this question.
The XXXL in it's own right is a superior dry lane ball to the Blue Pearl Hammer. Given the performance of the XXXL, the new XXL should be even more of a winner.
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"Advertisers -- you too can have access to this prime demographic"
Post by: Bjaardker on September 01, 2003, 08:53:34 PM
Clump, your metaphor is ridiculous. Where there is a huge difference in resins, a pearl urethane is a pearl urethane.
Where is the technological advancement in the XXL? The core? Prove it.
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Yesterday's oil is not the same as todays and this here XXL is built fer today's type of oil.
How so? It's a pearl urethane. I thought the whole point of the ball was for when there wasn't enough oil on the lanes.
Maybe if lane #1 wasn't so self righteous & gave a little more info & less anecdote on their bowling balls (the cranberry & XXL aren't even on their webpage yet) I would consider them.
I ask again, give REAL reasons why the XXL is so much better than any other 2 piece pearl urethane. Numbers, addetives in the coverstock, anything other than "well...uh... buzzsaws hit hard".
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 01, 2003, 10:29:25 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 02, 2003, 12:04:06 AM
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Look at it from the other side of the fence BJ....What makes you think the pearl urathene is as good as an XXL when you haven't even tried an XXL?
I don't, but then again I'm not the one producing & selling balls.
It's called proving your product.
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 02, 2003, 12:30:44 AM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 02, 2003, 10:23:18 AM
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Well BJ, you are the one that told Shaggy to find a pearl urethane rather than buy an XXL, so apparently you think the pearl urethane is a better ball or you wouldn't have told him that.
I never said it was a better ball. Cheaper? Yes I did say that. As far as better, I can't say one way or the other. We do know that the pearl hammer has proven itself as a timeless classic that still is striking today. The XXL is an unproven ball, so I can't really compare them one way or the other.
I said "Why not just find yourself an old school Hammer for 1/2 the price".
As of yet I still haven't to hear why exactly a person should spend the extra $$ on an XXL.
Clump says it's some sort of "new" pearl urethane coverstock.....right. Thought the whole point of going with the pearl urethane is to get the dry lane reaction of guess what....A PEARL URETHANE. Next they're going to tell me that the XXXL has a "NEW" kind of plastic coverstock.
The only thing I see really having an impact could be something like the CoR of the coverstock being different, the durometer measure, or the material that the core is made of. That is REAL info that sells balls.
Edited on 9/2/2003 10:34 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 02, 2003, 11:07:44 AM
FYI, like you do, I used to think it was the dumbest thing I ever heard of when people spent extra $$ for Buzzsaws and I could see no proof they were any better. After numerous failures and spending a lot of $$ on two other companies equipment and having it fail to match up for my style, I received a "rock bottom" deal on a Buzzsaw. Since I had heard these balls were bowler friendly and an excellent ball for the average league bowler, I decided, "what the heck", I'm throwing away $$ on all of those other balls that don't match up for me, so what do I have to lose? I bought the ball and have not regretted it one day since. So the bottom line to this?......A person can not afford to be be "nearsighted" and just look at $$ of cost when purchasing a ball, they have to look at what works best for them and forget about cost. For my self and others, that's Buzzsaws.....And yet for others, I'm sure it is another brand.
Post by: T-GOD on September 02, 2003, 11:45:49 AM
quote:Why is that..? =:^D
no body gets on here and gloats and gloats and rants and raves about the other balls.
Post by: Steven on September 02, 2003, 12:22:56 PM
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As of yet I still haven't to hear why exactly a person should spend the extra $$ on an XXL.
Bjaardker: I have both the Blue Pearl Hammer, and the Plastic XXXL. The XXXL, even with the plastic cover, is more predictable and hits harder than the Hammer. The Hammer can handle a little more oil, but once you get into that territory, there are many balls that are a superior choice -- the Ebonite V2 Dry for example.
What's more important is that you are making a judgement here without experiencing both. That's intellectually dangerous. I'm no buzzhead, but I bought the XXXL out of curiosity and found that the Lane#1 core in a weaker cover is a great combination.
The old Hammers was great balls in their time but there are much better choices for todays lane conditions.
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"Advertisers -- you too can have access to this prime demographic"
Post by: seadrive on September 02, 2003, 01:19:29 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 02, 2003, 02:04:13 PM
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What's more important is that you are making a judgement here without experiencing both.
I've read through this thread twice now, not once have I made a judgement on the XXL. I've simply asked why spend the extra money & buy this new ball when so many older 2 piece pearl urethanes are available. I've actually said that I WONT pass judgement & compare them until I've seen it.
Clump says now that it's a new pearlized urethane formulation in the coverstock. That's the very first time anyone has given reasoning as to why it might actually be better. Maybe a bit more info as to WHY the new formulation works better would help too. (more porous? softer? etc.)
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And our product proves itself on them lanes. That will generate sales.
Then you better get more people here in WI with your equipment, because no one is proving anything on the lanes around here with your stuff. With no way of getting a hold of your stuff, & no way to watch someone using it, all there is to base a purchase on is anecdote & theory. I can tell a great story about why something is better, but I prefer to work with real things like numbers, measurements & logic before I put hard earned cash on it.
I've got it on good word that clump is a worth while basis on knowledge on lane#1 products, so why the act? I just don't know why lane#1 doesn't see how a good representative like Mustang Guy or New Guy could improve sales. Honestly they are the reason a Roto Grip or Dynothane will probably be my next new ball purchase. It's a shame that the best Lane#1 can do for representation here is this ridiculous slack jawed yokel & a bunch of fanboys, but that's a different issue entirely. Sorry for the hijack.
Post by: T-GOD on September 02, 2003, 02:27:57 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 02, 2003, 03:54:01 PM
Post by: Charles on September 02, 2003, 07:11:34 PM
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ATTENTION ALL BUZZSAW HATERS! Here is your golden opportunity to shut your mouth, bring your money, and add to my Buzzsaw arsenal by losing like the rest.