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truexmiracle

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« on: August 16, 2006, 02:17:25 AM »
I recently went to my pro-shop and asked the person there to help me find my PaP, Axis Tilt and all that good stuff. But they won't release the informatin to me i think becaues they might think i'm going to go else where and drill the ball. Is there any other way to find my PaP and stuff like that..?? For example, Can I take a picture of a drilled World Class and byt he layout tell my PaP and Axis Tilt?
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 10:25:11 AM »
This was from a prior post about "Finding yur PAP".

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2006, 11:56:36 AM »
true, not giving me information on my PAP would be enough in itself to send me elsewhere. If he knows it, he should tell you, & considering he should know that prior to drilling your equipment, if he doesn't, how can he lay out a 4x4, 5x3, etc. Your PAP is easy to find for yourself, but that's not the point!
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truexmiracle

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2006, 12:23:26 PM »
Righty: You got a point, but the pro-shop is the one on the bowling alley i bowl in at nights. I'm really considering going else where to find my measurements. too bad i don't have an armadillo or else i could of done it myself.
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shelley

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2006, 12:24:30 PM »
I agree.  If he's so worried about you going elsewhere with that information, he doesn't deserve the business (the flip side to that is that you could just go somewhere else and they'll find your PAP/... anyway).  If he knows he does a good job for a reasonable price, he has nothing to worry about.

There are lots of perfectly legitimate circumstances where you'd want to know that info.  Coaching, getting equipment at distant tournaments, buying used equipment (which he'd make money plugging and redrilling anyway).

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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2006, 12:52:40 PM »
But you can easily get your PAP without the use of an armadillo!  

Take a ball with lower flare potential and throw a shot.  Eye ball an approximate axis point and place a small piece of tape (~1/4) on this spot.  Throw the ball and look to see if the ball spins directly on this spot or not.  Basically adjust it yourself until you get it to spin directly on the tape spot upon release.  After that if you want measurements you could always make a paper ruler and mark off the spot yourself with either a grease pencil or graphite pencil.  This is a really rough way to get the measurements without going into a shop...though if you mark the correct spot any other local shop could easily take the measurements for you and drill accordingly.
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truexmiracle

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006, 01:33:24 PM »
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But you can easily get your PAP without the use of an armadillo!  

Take a ball with lower flare potential and throw a shot.  Eye ball an approximate axis point and place a small piece of tape (~1/4) on this spot.  Throw the ball and look to see if the ball spins directly on this spot or not.  Basically adjust it yourself until you get it to spin directly on the tape spot upon release.  After that if you want measurements you could always make a paper ruler and mark off the spot yourself with either a grease pencil or graphite pencil.  This is a really rough way to get the measurements without going into a shop...though if you mark the correct spot any other local shop could easily take the measurements for you and drill accordingly.
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I'm a righty. If i throw the ball and when it reacts at the end of the lanes should the holes be in-sync and be on the left side? Would this mean that the way the way the ball was drilled was to my Specifications?

I won't be able to Find my axis tilt with this theory right?
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 03:00:35 PM »
Not directly, but different PAPs tend to go with certain amounts of axis tilt.

A more accurate way to find your PAP is to throw a ball so that there are oil tracks on it.  Put the ball on a spinner with the first oil track on the equator.  Turn the spinner on and see if that track line is stable.  If not, adjust until it is.  When that line doesn't move when the spinner is on, take a grease pencil and hold it at the "north pole".  That's your PAP (unless you do it backwards, in which case it's your NAP, the PAP is then on the other side of the ball).

PAPs closer to the center of grip tend to imply more axis tilt.  A 3" PAP would give you more axis tilt than a 5" PAP.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006, 03:30:10 PM »
Why is this in the L LM Forum?
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 03:42:12 PM »
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Not directly, but different PAPs tend to go with certain amounts of axis tilt.

A more accurate way to find your PAP is to throw a ball so that there are oil tracks on it.  Put the ball on a spinner with the first oil track on the equator.  Turn the spinner on and see if that track line is stable.  If not, adjust until it is.  When that line doesn't move when the spinner is on, take a grease pencil and hold it at the "north pole".  That's your PAP (unless you do it backwards, in which case it's your NAP, the PAP is then on the other side of the ball).

PAPs closer to the center of grip tend to imply more axis tilt.  A 3" PAP would give you more axis tilt than a 5" PAP.
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Ooohh... but unfortunately I don't have access to a spinner to calculate my PaP and tilt axis.


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Why is this in the L LM Forum?


Because I'm planning on dirlling up my WC with the stingy pro-shop, who doesn't want to give me my measurements and where i bowl, and was wondering if people can tell my PaP and Tilt from the drilling.
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shelley

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 03:54:29 PM »
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was wondering if people can tell my PaP and Tilt from the drilling.


You can't tell your PAP just by looking at a drilled ball.  You have to look at the oil track or use the piece-of-tape method.  The latter is easy enough to do, though how accurate you get depends highly on how small and visible the tape is.  With contrasting tape you should be able to get it pretty accurately.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 10:38:18 AM »
How much of a difference is the ball going to roll deep and have a late reaction if i use a ball with 3 and one with 5 top weight
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shelley

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2006, 10:44:22 AM »
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How much of a difference is the ball going to roll deep and have a late reaction if i use a ball with 3 and one with 5 top weight


It's hard to really say because the ball with 5oz of top weight will probably have different requirements weight-hole-wise than the one with 3oz.  Those two extra ounces will strongly influence what you have to do to make it legal.

In general, higher top weights give the ball more length and backend than lower top weights (just like longer pins do).

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2006, 04:58:10 PM »
Hey true,

There are some shops who feel threatened by the fact that if you inform your customer, they will lose them to the internet or those who will give them a better deal, it's business not personal.

I personally offer any individual who has purchased a ball from me his/her personal info if they want.  I've even gone as far as helping 6 individuals one night that Jonathan Ng (br member, you can ask him) brought in just to help find their paps and they weren't even my customers.  I even paid for their time on the lanes to do so.  

It's about the individual and what you feel your driller can offer you.  I can understand what shops do because I am on the other side of the counter. Many times after spending 1/2 an hour or more on educating my customer about coverstocks, weight blocks and what would work for them, they go somewhere else to save $10 dollars.  Oh well, that's a part of the business but I refuse to be ignorant and not try and help someone.  That's why I'm here on BR...

Hope this helps shed some light on the subject, thanks.
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