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REvans284

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Ball from LaneMasters comparable to...
« on: January 27, 2008, 11:56:08 AM »
The C300 Full Throttle. http://www.columbia300.com/products/retired_detail.php?PRKey=178

I had this ball drilled for length/arc to clear the heads a little better but still make a hard left at the break (to help overcome hooking heads).  I didn't like the reaction I got from it at first because it wasn't giving me what I wanted (not enough length for inside angles, but I did like the recovery shape, just wanted something longer) and so I gave it to my Fiance because it didnt read the lanes soon enough on my house shot but didnt provide enough length on sport shots for what I wanted it to do.  

Anyway, again my center puts out a tournament every sunday on the same pattern as the PBA that week, its kind of an "experience" tournament.  So today, they had the US Open 50ft. flat pattern out (it was quite comical, high set after 3 was 560, and 488 made the cut to top 12 - 220 something was high game of the whole tournament  ).   When the tournament got narrowed down to top 6 I got a pair at the end of the house and proceeded to throw a little to experament.  After not getting the look I wanted with 2 of my balls of choice, I picked up the FT she had with her and standing around 8-9 playing up 3 with my ball speed slowed down I had the best look of the day taking 5 racks to the pit on my next 6 balls.

Its not my ball anymore, but I'm looking for a replacement and drilling it similar/probably the exact same.  I was looking at the XS Power.  I think the BP might have too strong of a cover despite it being polished.  Do you agree with my choice or can you give me a better one?

Ball drilled app. 5-5 1/4 (need to remeasure as I think my PAP has changed since then). with CG angled at around 35-40* (Pin over Bridge, CG kicked out just to right of fingers and just about level with/horizontal of grip center.  Balance hole down and inside val in thumb quadrant).

Hope to get a similar reaction with what ever I choose.

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Re: Ball from LaneMasters comparable to...
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 03:38:01 PM »
Anyone?  78 views and no suggestions?

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Re: Ball from LaneMasters comparable to...
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2008, 03:56:12 PM »
You might get a somewhat similar reaction with an XS Power if it were sanded to about 800 - 1000 grit range. You also MIGHT get a similar reaction with the original New Standard.

I do not understand when you said, "so I gave it to my Fiance because it didnt read the lanes soon enough on my house shot but didnt provide enough length on sport shots for what I wanted it to do."

Do you know for certain that the sport shot and your house shot always compared in just that way: The Full Throttle should read the house shot early and should get XXX length on each sport shot?

Has it or any other ball you have used reacted in just that way?
I'm confused.

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Re: Ball from LaneMasters comparable to...
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 06:29:01 PM »
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I do not understand when you said, "so I gave it to my Fiance because it didnt read the lanes soon enough on my house shot but didnt provide enough length on sport shots for what I wanted it to do."

Do you know for certain that the sport shot and your house shot always compared in just that way: The Full Throttle should read the house shot early and should get XXX length on each sport shot?

Has it or any other ball you have used reacted in just that way?
I'm confused.



This ball has a stronger cover than I expected and I didn't know that when I got it.  I layed it out the way I did expecting the ball to get length in friction before it made its move toward the pocket but it didnt work out that way.  Even with the longer pin to pap and higher pin location that my normal every day layout, it still made its move way too soon and impressively sharp for a layout that should have been more arcy.  

It may have worked if the pin was higher above the fingers (but the backend would still be sharp) but it was just too much for me too soon to try and play deep inside angles with because I couldn't get the ball through the hooking heads like I wanted...    

On my wet dry.  The ball seems to want to turn and roll up but it doesn't respond to the oil as quick as my lower pin shorter PAP distance balls despite the cover.  I don't know why it responds to friction as hard as it does and when it is in oil it just skids, so I am more comfortable playing with my earlier rolling ball on a house shot.

On sport shots however, I did move way right on both a modified cheetah pattern and the US open pattern, and get good entry angle and carry with it when I hit my target.  I was much slower on speed and moved my target closer to the foul line on the US Open pattern, and the break point spots down lane were much different between the two (I had more miss room right on mod cheetah, and on US I had more hold/miss area left but none at all right), but what I liked and am looking at is the ball ignored the oil and didnt try to read the midlane early like my wet/dry balls would while I was playout out, then made a sharp yet controllable turn to the pocket that gave me better carry than my other longer and stronger balls (the skid snap ball I had with me cleared heads well but didnt finish or turn sharp enough to reach the 1-3 from out there, I left a wash out 1-2-4-10 if I was the least bit fast, and it was a fine line between a week 10 and a 2-8 or 2 pin leave).

Had I found a place to use this ball a long time ago before I gave it to her, It would still definitely be in my bag, but I'm not going to ask for it back.  She's been rolling too good with it.  I'm just looking for a similar replacement and am aware I may need to do some surface adjustments to get the reaction I am looking for.

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Re: Ball from LaneMasters comparable to...
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 06:53:55 PM »
The core on the Full Throttle is high flaring one and the shape seems to promote skid/snap. The Accelerator coverstock was not a favorite of a lot of people, but sanded (I think it came arounf 1000 or 1200 grit matte) together with that core may have made for a controllable but strong hooking medium-heavy oil ball. Surprised you were able to use it on a Cheetah pattern, but it can happen.

Lanemasters balls, in general, can be as strong hooking as the FT but will likely be more controllable.

The XSP comes with some kind of polish. It was originally supposed to come with an 800 grit matte finish, but I guess they changed their mind. I've seen some Full Throttles but not in the hands of anyone who knew what they were doign with it. I can only guess that the XSP should be in the same general class, IF YOU SAND IT to the 1000 grit range. I can't guess as to an appropriate drilling. I suppose a good starting point would be one similar to the FT's drilling.
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