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justink

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Best For Down and In
« on: July 13, 2006, 02:29:59 AM »
I am looking for a ball that would compliment my down an in style. Have some speed with not allot of hand. I have been looking at the Big Bang, but wanted to see what you all would suggest.

Thank you.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 02:54:08 PM »
The Big Bang hooks more than any other ball the L/L line up.  Anywhere from the first to fourth arrow you should be good to go.  Have not put mine down since I got it.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 03:18:52 PM »
Honestly... there's no such thing as a "down and in" ball. Whether you can play down and in with any of several balls depends on all the usual factors and how they combine to allow you to use the ball in a "down and in" fashion.. Drilling as well surface are all easily modifiable on all Legends balls.

Also, exactly what "down and in" means, will vary slightly to a lot, depending on the bowler.

If you tell us what ball you are using now, how it's drilled, what the surface is like (how it has changed or how you have changed it with use), and any other factors, I or others could possibly recommend one or more Legends balls that you may be able to use.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 03:33:40 PM »
I have the NS2(grey pad) and AP2(burg pad). My main house is all synthetic and is typically pretty slick for league. The NS2 is drilled for length with the pin over the ring finger and cg kicked out and inch or so. It has a weight hole 31/32" 1" deep on the PAP. The AP2 is drilled 5 x 3 with the pin directly under the ring finger and a 3/4" weight hole 1" below the PAP. The AP2 I bought used, so it was left the way I got it. My PAP is 5" by 0" Don't know my axis, just know that I have more than enough speed with medium low revs. I try to slow down and they react better, of course.

More of a stroker and usually play any were from 7-12 and have allot of luck with the AP2 until it starts over reacting to carrydown. Then the NS2 comes out and does quite well in those instances. Love them both.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 03:38:20 PM »
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I have the NS2(grey pad) and AP2(burg pad). My main house is all synthetic and is typically pretty slick for league. The NS2 is drilled for length with the pin over the ring finger and cg kicked out and inch or so. It has a weight hole 31/32" 1" deep on the PAP. The AP2 is drilled 5 x 3 with the pin directly under the ring finger and a 3/4" weight hole 1" below the PAP. The AP2 I bought used, so it was left the way I got it. My PAP is 5" by 0" Don't know my axis, just know that I have more than enough speed with medium low revs. I try to slow down and they react better, of course.

More of a stroker and usually play any were from 7-12 and have allot of luck with the AP2 until it starts over reacting to carrydown. Then the NS2 comes out and does quite well in those instances. Love them both.
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So, these balls as a combination allow you to play "down and in" as you see it.
When the AP2 sees too much carrydown, later in your shift, you switch to the NS2 and that takes care of the carrydown and you remain able to play down and in - is that correct?

Hmmm?? What happens if you start with the NS2?
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how long have you been using these balls?
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did you buy them new?

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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 03:46:53 PM »
Yeah the NS2 is a few boards weaker than the AP2 on the backend. But seems to be less effected by differences in the line such as other bowlers throwing through my line, as well as carry down. Therefor, later in the series it seems to be a good ball to go to. The NS2 also arcs more down the lane than my AP2, so maybe it's just seeing a different line, also due to it's arcing motion it hooks earlier and would not see the carrydown as much as the AP2 which tends to go straighter and then hook in to the pocket. Uh......

Now you have me confused and I probably sound like a babling fool. Way to go.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2006, 03:48:54 PM »
NS2 - new. Bought in February

Ap2 - used. Bought in May from Laybzz

Typically it seems to be too wet for the NS2 at the beginning of the set.


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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2006, 03:59:31 PM »
If you are game take your AP2 to your driller and have him bump up the weight hole a couple of sizes,it will make a big difference in your reaction,sooner and more hook.a 1 1/8" hole would make that thing a monster.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 04:02:17 PM »
That hole is deep were as the hole in my NS2 is shallow. On the AP2 would I go just as deep as it is now, just up the size a couple 1/4s. I am interested in that allot. Since it is used and I didn't spend much on it, I don't mind tweaking it at all.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 04:19:06 PM »
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NS2 - new. Bought in February

Ap2 - used. Bought in May from Laybzz

Typically it seems to be too wet for the NS2 at the beginning of the set.
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This is a fairly decent one-two combination, in these circumstances, for you. However, you haven't mentioned moving deeper with the AP2, before going to the NS2. That 5" pin reduces the potential flare of the AP but may be a factor in enabling you to use in that down and in fashion you like.

The NS2 is a bit of a special ball. It's a good control ball, but has a heavy load of particles making it almost immune to carrydown. Well, let's be real and call it less susceptible to carrydown.


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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 04:26:47 PM »
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If you are game take your AP2 to your driller and have him bump up the weight hole a couple of sizes,it will make a big difference in your reaction,sooner and more hook.a 1 1/8" hole would make that thing a monster.


Normally I'd say go for it, but since the hole is "only' 1" below his PAP, holes that makes a serious difference at 2 1/2" or more below that PAP. I don;t think a larger hole will makes that big a difference. But it won;t hurt either.

What I think may make a bigger difference given that he has used the ball and bought it used, is a rejuvenation treatment. Even Legends balls absorb oil and lose reaction over time. WHat I'd suggest is to see if any local pro shops have the Rejuvenator oven. SANd th eball to about 220 grit with Track's CLean and Dull (or CLean and Tacky, if that is available). The oven "roasts" balls at or below 150 degree fahrenheit. If that is not available, then a hot water from the tap treatment in a bucket with some household/kitchen sink degreaser. Keep the hole at the top, keep the water level just below the holes, let it soak until the water gets tepid. The hot water brings the oil to the surface; the degreaser breaks up the oil prevent the ball from re-absorbing the oil OR so the theory goes. Wipe the ball off with a good bowling ball cleaner like Legends own, then sand it back to your favorite grit.

I'd do that to the NS2 also. ONLY because you have been using them in so much oil.

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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2006, 04:30:44 PM »
Thank you guys I appreciate your input greatly. Going to try your suggestions this week.
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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2006, 04:39:52 PM »
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Yeah the NS2 is a few boards weaker than the AP2 on the backend. But seems to be less effected by differences in the line such as other bowlers throwing through my line, as well as carry down. Therefor, later in the series it seems to be a good ball to go to. The NS2 also arcs more down the lane than my AP2, so maybe it's just seeing a different line, also due to it's arcing motion it hooks earlier and would not see the carrydown as much as the AP2 which tends to go straighter and then hook in to the pocket. Uh......

Now you have me confused and I probably sound like a babling fool. Way to go.
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Not at all. you're actually thinking about what you're doing and how the balls are reacting and how you're playing them. I wish 99% of us would think in PRECISELY those terms.

I'm looking at the Legends/LM ball chart and I;'m thinking that redrilling either one of these balls COULD ... POTENTIALLY get you one ball to stick with, just by moving deeper as the shot dries up.

Any chance that you're bowling on a Guardian overlay? It causes carrydown like no body's business. Of course, on any heavy oil, like what you're on, can cause lots of carrydown.


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Re: Best For Down and In
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2006, 08:42:37 AM »
No Gaurdian. I started a Parent/Child league last night. But my driller wasn't in the shop. So I didn't get anywhere last night. I hope to take some time this weekend and get the weight hole drilled bigger in the AP2 and both of them saned down (don't have clean and dull, figured I'd go with either 220-400 grit sand paper instead) before they recieve their baths, then resheened. Last night we were on scond shift oil, so I just used the NS2 and had great success until I stuck in the second game and went down hard. Always hard to come back after that. But hey the league is basically just practice for the upcoming season.
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2006, 10:34:11 AM »
Quick question about the expanding of the weight hole. You stated that a lower hole would make a greater difference. Would it be worthwhile to fill the current hole and then drill the bigger hole lower but over that hole? So that it actually removes the filler. In essence it would only move the center of the hole about a half an inch, but lower nonetheless.
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