Post by: urbanshaft on October 09, 2007, 10:06:53 AM
i want a couple boards more hook and can handle more oil and biger backend
i have a sting and a terminator
any suggestions?
Post by: Pat Patterson on October 09, 2007, 06:13:25 PM
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Post by: ekster on October 09, 2007, 06:15:51 PM
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Post by: charlest on October 09, 2007, 06:18:56 PM
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i ned a ball to replace my buzz since its 15lb and i use 16lb now
i want a couple boards more hook and can handle more oil and biger backend
i have a sting and a terminator
any suggestions?
You want it all, hunh?
The Buzz is the natural and designed partner for the Sting. There's really not a lot of room between them, seeing as how you're asking to handle more oil AND more hook AND more backend. Literally, there's not much available. Technically according to their own charts, the WCR and the SS would barely still be suitable and still have enough TRUE differentiation from the Sting.
Of course, using a pin that's higher than your current one YET closer to your PAP, and adding a SLIGHT bit of surface to a 16 lb Buzz might turn out to be the exact ball you're looking for. Remember that the 16 lb and the 15 lb Buzz's cores do differ slightly.
The SS has more length and more backend than the Buzz, as near as I can tell, and it MAY just handle the slightest bit more oil.
The WCR is the other possibility. It does handle slightly more oil but canbe sensitive in the Length department, from what I have seen. The Buzz has length but seems, to my hand and eyes, to be slightlyless sensitive.
I am not 100% sure that a stronger drilled Buzz or a WCR would satisify all your desires. It's a bit of a guessing game.
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Edited on 10/9/2007 6:19 PM
Post by: urbanshaft on October 09, 2007, 06:24:29 PM
but i bowl different now and i just havent used it in months, and every week in league seems my sting is 2 strong and my buzz just wont work
i was thinking the wcr as well or perhaps the ss if it handled more oil
how much sronger is the wcr then the buzz?
and how much weaker is it then the sting?
Post by: Laybzz74 on October 09, 2007, 11:38:45 PM
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Post by: urbanshaft on October 10, 2007, 05:23:55 PM
and will work with fresh oil
Post by: charlest on October 10, 2007, 05:43:28 PM
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im just looking 4 a ball that will be under my sting by 5boards or so
and will work with fresh oil
There is no magic formula to create those "5" boards. Experimentation is needed or some GREAT guessti-mations.
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Post by: urbanshaft on October 10, 2007, 05:58:19 PM
possibly a rebelion or a counter strike perhaps?
Post by: charlest on October 10, 2007, 06:20:48 PM
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but what ball would fit 4 5boards less is what im wondering
possibly a rebelion or a counter strike perhaps?
those balls do not yet exist; they are unknown entities.
I understand your dilemma. there is no magic formula.
In my best GUESS, 5 boards less than a Sting reuqires another sting, sanded to PROBABLY (this is a GUESS!) 1600 grit with Trizact Orange and then sanded to 5000 grit with a Trizact White Cerium Oxide pad, and add another 1" to a 1.5" distance to the current pin to PAP on your current Sting. Then polish the bejessus out of it with Legend's polish; then try it.
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Post by: urbanshaft on October 10, 2007, 06:22:35 PM
Post by: charlest on October 10, 2007, 06:28:34 PM
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prob is ive had doubles of balls b4 and they never worked out
you are a troublemaker, aren't you?
Just kidding.I'm sorry; that's all I have.
Remember the Sting and many Lm/L balls are very unusual in their ball reactions. I'really not sure how to draw similarities betwen them and other brands. I'd help you more if I could. One more try -----
A Kong, add VERY light application of Legends polish (I repeat, very light), drill it with a 3" pin to PAP with pin height of about 1.5" above the midline and stack the CG below. If a weight hole is needed, put it at 5.5" beyond the Grip center.
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Post by: urbanshaft on October 10, 2007, 06:36:03 PM
and ive seen couple ppl say its a heavy oil ball
Post by: charlest on October 10, 2007, 06:39:58 PM
Edited on 10/10/2007 7:08 PM
Post by: batbowler on October 11, 2007, 10:39:31 PM
I have the Sting and Kong, both are drilled similar, but the Kong is slightly weaker. I guess weaker isn't a very good choice of words, about four to six boards less hook and more even! If I'm standing 17 out to 7 with the Kong, I'll have to stand about 21 or 22 out to 8 with the Sting! Both have the pin below ring finger and cg kicked to the right. I hope this helps, Bruce
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Post by: urbanshaft on October 11, 2007, 11:26:12 PM
does it resemble any of the new balls?
Edited on 10/12/2007 2:57 AM
Post by: batbowler on October 12, 2007, 10:54:19 AM
If your looking for a little more than the Buzz and a little less than the Sting, I would seriously look into the Sure Strike. I go Buzz and if it's not enough, Sure Strike then the Kong and then I go to the Sting. My Kong doesn't change direction as hard as my Sting and they are drilled very close to each other. For the price the SS is an awesome ball! Thanks, Bruce
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Post by: shelley on October 12, 2007, 11:08:41 AM
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Post by: Laybzz74 on October 12, 2007, 11:09:47 AM
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