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wkf0908

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Drilling problem with my Terminator
« on: January 15, 2007, 03:28:18 PM »
I have drilled the terminator with the below spec. The ball skip and have a crazy flip at the backend, I really like that motion. Great ball from Lane Master, thank you very much. Every things seems to be perfect except one thing, when I bowl with the said drill spec., because of I am a high track bowler, I can see the flare over my thumb, but I really like this drilling, could I solve this problem without moving the pin (I mean I would prefer to place the pin 1¡¨ above the mid line), for example drill the x hole in other place or others?


my spec.:
- PAP  - 5¡¨ up 1/2¡¨
- ball speed - medium to fast
- revs off your hand    - 300 (approx.)
- axis tilt and - little (5-10 degree), I am a high track bowler
- axis rotation - 45 degree to 60 degree

drilling spec.:

PIN:    4¡¨ from PAP

CG:     3-1/8¡¨ from PAP

PIN 1" up from midline, X hole 2-1/2¡¨ deep in thumb quadrant

p.s. I JUST COPY THE DRILLING METHOD FROM BILL - Buddiesproshop



 

 

charlest

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 06:29:55 AM »
I am not getting the right picture from your information.

If your PAP is 5" over, that drill should NOT be touching the thumb hole, UNLESS the ball is flaring backwards for some even stranger reason.

And 5" over is not a high track by any measure.
I wonder who measured your track?  Maybe it's a lot longer, like 6", in which case, the pin should be at the height of the ring finger or higher. A low pin for a high tracker will UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, make the track clip the finger holes, not the thumb hole

Maybe you should talk directly to Galen at Lanemasters to straighten this out. There are too many unknowns for me to help. sorry.

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 08:08:16 AM »
I concur with charlest on this one ... I'd recommend direct contact with Galen Gentry at Legends (busy guy, so be patient, please):

galen@lanemasters.com  OR  1-888-526-3645, Mon-Fri, 8-5, Pacific Time

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 07:15:38 PM »
Thank you for your suggestion, i've just email to Galen and now waiting for the reply.  

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 10:55:53 PM »
BTW, don't be afraid to follow up that email with a call ... leave a detailed voicemail with contact info if you don't get to speak with him immediately; good luck, and keep "us" posted !!!
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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 11:27:31 PM »
Thanks Laybzz74

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2007, 07:30:18 PM »
Dear Charlest,

Thanks for your comment. I have attached a picture (link as below) that shows how my ball flare, i hope it will be more clear, thanks.

http://www.putfile.com/wkf0908

Peter
         



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LaneHammer20

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2007, 07:34:05 PM »
that looks to me like you are a full roller, or darn close
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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 07:38:54 PM »
LaneHammer20,

No, I am not a full roller but a high semi roller as you can see my first track is at the left side of the finger hole and thumb hole, just the ball flare towards the thumb hole.

Also, i had tried the RICO drilling method before and have the same experience of flaring over the thumb hole too.



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charlest

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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 09:39:58 PM »
wkf0908,

My first thought was like that of LaneHammer20, that you are a full roller. If you're not, then my next thought is
A ball will flare in the reverse of the normal direction when the pin is below the center of the grip. For a low track bowler, this is OK, IF that is what they want or need. For a high track bowler, this is not a good thing, as seems to be happening with you.

Next idea is something I want to tell you. A high track bowler must take special care to position the pin correctly in order to avoid the ball flaring over any of the holes. Under normal conditions, the pin must be position on or above the line from the bwoler's ring finger to the bowler's PAP, positive axis point.

So I believe the first problem is your pin on this ball is fairly low.

2nd item of concern is what I mentioned earlier. IF a bowler's PAP is 5" over and 1/2" up, that is not considered to be a high track. I believe someone measured your track incorrectly.
 
Now, the problem is if the ball is drilled as you say, with the pin where it is, the ball should not be flaring in the opposite direction. I do nothave an answer or even a suggestion as to why that may be happening. I afraid you need to either talk to an experienced driller or call Galen at Lanemasters.

Sorry.


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Re: Drilling problem with my Terminator
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 11:15:15 PM »
Anyway, thanks Charlest