Author Topic: Black Diamond vs other brands (Read 3698 times)

Foppe · « **on:** October 20, 2009, 09:16:36 PM »

Hey guys,

I used to throw some LM/Legend equipment lasy year, but after updating my arsenal & going up in weight, that has gone.
I got 1 more slot in my arsenal and I'm thinking about squeezing a Legend in.

Ball that has taken my interest is the Black Diamond.
Now I already have a rotogrip Rogue Cell and a storm Virtual Gravity and I fear overlap with the Black Diamond, or is the Diamond stonger than both?

golfnutFL · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2009, 10:57:50 AM »

IMHO, the Black Diamond, left OOB, handles MUCH less oil than the Rogue Cell or the VG. Even though it is a solid particle, mine is HIGHLY polished. OOB, it has very little of the mid-lane read of the other two saving its energy for the backend. On clean backends it is plenty strong-- any carry down or heavier oils..it''s a skater. I will likely knock some shine off of mine, the ball is not what I expected however, BTM nailed it in their 11/09 issue.

Edited on 10/21/2009 11:45 AM

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2009, 11:29:27 AM »

what do you mean BTM nailed it on their 11/09 issue. Can you enlighten us on this subject a little. Does this mean they loved it or they hated it.
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golfnutFL · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2009, 11:44:39 AM »

quote:
what do you mean BTM nailed it on their 11/09 issue. Can you enlighten us on this subject a little. Does this mean they loved it or they hated it.
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What is sandbagging???

Has BTM ever expressed love or hate for a ball? That''s not really a question-- they merely point out a ball''s strengths and weaknesses.

Without reprinting any of their proprietary information, in BTM''s opinion, the BD is a skid/flip, medium oil ball. OOB is too polished for heavy oil and their length, backend, and overall hook numbers reflect a medium oil skid/flip reaction ball.

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Edited on 10/21/2009 11:48 AM

Foppe · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2009, 12:00:32 PM »

& what about the Dynamic Power?

That ball is supposed to be an earlier roller for heavy oil right?
Does the DP handle more oil than the Virtual Gravity ?

golfnutFL · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2009, 12:20:04 PM »

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& what about the Dynamic Power?

That ball is supposed to be an earlier roller for heavy oil right?
Does the DP handle more oil than the Virtual Gravity ?

Sorry, someone else will have to offer an opinion here as I have not thrown the Dynamic Power.

The Black Diamond is the first L/LM ball I've thrown in 1 1/2- 2 years ever since their production slowed way down from their heyday when World Class's and Big Bang's and Terminator's and Black Pearl's etc,etc, were flying off their assembly line. When their production slowed down I moved on to other companies. I was initially excited about the Black Diamond (and may be again after I tinker with the cover) and I've pre-ordered an Xtreme Damage so I am hopeful that L/LM is making a comeback.

TM3 LMBowling · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2009, 04:00:38 PM »

Golfnut thanks for giving it a try. Here is the skinny on the Black Diamond. With the new size of Particle we were able to leave room for altering the cover with greater ease. Many of you remember not being able to cut our balls too well. You all have touched on a significance in the cover. Polished it is a medium condition ball. with a 1500 or 1000 pad you will gain dramatic results. I went to grey pad with mine and it was too much and settled for white pad and the ball covered almost 20 boards on our house condition. This is the first time this weight block worked for me in any of our balls. The coverstock is versatile as we designed. We didn't want this version of the ball for specific lane conditions. We wanted it to be so you can make it fit where you want it to fit in your arsenal.Thanks Golfnut.
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Lane Masters Bowling
The Worlds Best Made Bowling Balls"

Foppe · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2009, 05:02:43 PM »

Tony,thanks for the explanation.
I will go a bit more in detail towards what I need.
I need a ball that picks up soon with a nice smooth roll towards the pocket, need this ball to combat heavy (& longer oil)-conditions.
I love my gravity & rogue for these type of shots aswell, but both are drilled pin up and are more flippy, I'm looking for more of a roller to compliment them to burn a hole on the fresh.

Looking a bit more in detail on both the BD & DP, I think I can better look towards the Dynamic Power than the Black Diamond for this right?
I don't need another skid/flippy ball, just something that picks up fairly soon with a nice read/move to the pocket.

About myself (if it would make a difference): power-stroker, nowdays speed ~ 17.5 mph, revs ~ 275, maybe 300.

If anyone has expierence throwing both the DP & the VG (or Rogue Cell): I would very much like to hear the differences

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2009, 06:05:40 PM »

Tony,
What''s the "grit finish" of this medium-load particle UNDER the Factory Polish

Got mine today and it''s pretty ... and pretty shiny too.

THANX !!!
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Pat Patterson · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2009, 08:34:18 PM »

Robb,

I'm not Tony, but I believe it's 1000 sheen.

Pat

quote:
Tony,
What''s the "grit finish" of this medium-load particle UNDER the Factory Polish
Got mine today and it''s pretty ... and pretty shiny too.

THANX !!!
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**** Official "L/LM" ball "junkie" ****

http://www.lanemastersbowling.com

"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O''Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email addy)

Edited on 10/21/2009 6:06 PM

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dennis_michael · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:43:09 AM »

Foppe, I roll the Black Diamond, the Virtual Gravity and the Dynamic Power. I have each drilled differently.

The DP in drilled stacked and is my ball on heavy, longer patterns, like the Shark or the Dead Man's Curve from Kegel. It just loves the heavier conditions, and loses no energy.

My VG is my lead off ball on what our house calls their Tournament shot. It is a heavier version of a THS, but transitions very fast. The VG just cannot handle the transition, and becomes squirrely in early game 2.

I got the BD to combat this condition. It is drilled for length with a 5" pin and does just what I want it to do. I carries long and snaps. Carry down doesn't bother it.

My assessment of the 3 you asked for.

Foppe · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2009, 09:48:54 AM »

Dennis,

thanks for this.
Yesterday I bowled on the dead man's curve, alltough my gravity can handle it, it's borderline & I want to have something that can handle the fresh long-heavy patterns better. I also bowled on the route 66 with it (45 ft) and my VG kills that pattern , but on the dead man's curve it skates a bit to long and I don't wanna adjust the cover yet (have it at 4000 Abralon).

I've cut it down to 2 options atm: the Dynamic Power or the 900Global Bounty Hunter.
With your reply now, knowing that the DP can handle that sort of conditions, I will surely look more into in, going to another shop tommorow, because oure pro-shop can get neither ball, so I'm hoping I can get a DP or BH somewhere else..

dennis_michael · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2009, 11:23:50 PM »

I commented on the Global board about the Bounty Hunter. A good friend of mine has one. I bowl with him every Sunday morning on PBA shots at our Center. His Bounty just doesn't have the back end strength that the Dynamic Power has. Where I can move over the center or even inside, he has to stay outside and roll straight up with it. The Bounty doesn't have the final drive as my DP.

Course, this is him bowling against me. Different balls, releases techniques and all the rest. I will say that when he wears a path to the pocket from out there, he can hit it religiously and with power. I've seen him roll 8-9 in a row over the same 8 board, where I had to move to keep the ball in the pocket.

WHOS THAT · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2009, 04:00:35 PM »

Picked up a Black Diamond 2 months ago, There's nothing on the market that can turn the corner like it. My main house puts out heavy volumes for are mens leagues, and when everyones Virtual Gravity's are struggling to recover my Black Diamond chews right thew it. My BD came polished and I left it that way, I strongly doubt there's a oil pattern that I'll encounter that will require me to alter the surface.

If you need a heavy oil beast pick yourself up a BLACK DIAMOND today!!
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Terminator
Terminator Rebellion
Buzz Attack
Xtreme Damage
Dynamic Power or Black Diamond

golfnutFL · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:43:51 PM »

The BD polished (OOB) is very far from being a heavy oil ball...OOB=medium oil at best.

I think what you are seeing is everyone's VG is burning up while your BD is storing energy due to its high gloss finish. Unless you are Mr. Mega-Revs, this ball is not going to work on heavy stuff.

quote:
Picked up a Black Diamond 2 months ago, There's nothing on the market that can turn the corner like it. My main house puts out heavy volumes for are mens leagues, and when everyones Virtual Gravity's are struggling to recover my Black Diamond chews right thew it. My BD came polished and I left it that way, I strongly doubt there's a oil pattern that I'll encounter that will require me to alter the surface.

If you need a heavy oil beast pick yourself up a BLACK DIAMOND today!!
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Fall Arsenal 2009
Terminator
Terminator Rebellion
Buzz Attack
Xtreme Damage
Dynamic Power or Black Diamond

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