Author Topic: Black Pearl Question (Read 1745 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** December 22, 2006, 12:47:58 PM »

Anybody try a longer pin to PAP layout pin over fingers 5 1/2" or so for use on lighter semi burned heads as a ball to use on later shifts w/ carry down? Surface say 4000 abralon.

Thanks!
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Scott

Phlap218 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2006, 09:02:56 PM »

i haven't but its right at 5 1/2 and i use it on my second and third games of league and it works very very well.. so i'm sure putting it a little further out would work fine. the cover on it will help it still recover and not keep on rolling with a longer layout drill.

Edited on 12/22/2006 10:02 PM

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2006, 09:06:31 PM »

Mines about 4.5" pin-PAP; pin is in the ring finger hole.

I needed to roughen the surface with Track's Clean and Smooth (approx 1500 grit) before I oculd get a reaction of what seemed to me to roughly be a medium-heavy oil pattern. Even then I only stood about 25 to get a reaction.

I had expected a "polished oiler" from all the comments I had seen, but I ought to know better by now ...

Polish and real oil do not mix ... ever!
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scotts33 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2006, 11:21:10 AM »

Do you think...... I can get enough length out of a Black Pearl? Most say it will roll earlier. Longer pin to PAP over bridge smooth 4000 abralon surface???

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Scott

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2006, 12:04:43 PM »

Scoots, as you know, I have slower speed and low revs. I talked to Galen a few weeks ago about a Black Pearl for me and he recommended a 4 x 4 drilling for me with the Pin beside and at top of RF line. I questioned this higher pin drilling and worried about the ball reving in the mid-lane and Galen said this ball has mid-lane rev built into it and that for me a higher pin was necessary to hold this mid-lane rev back a bit because of my slower speed and low revs. With my history of higher pins not faring all that well for me, I opted to pass up on this ball.

Don't know if this helps or not.

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Brick

Edited on 12/23/2006 1:06 PM

scotts33 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2006, 12:24:36 PM »

Thanks Jim but it doesn't. Sorry our games are not much the same. I think I ted to play deeper than you do when heads go. I base this just on your comments on your problems with the WCR. Maybe wrong not sure.

Mid rev 325, mid speed tweener. I know because of the amount of torque listed in BTM and the amount of flare I can take a Black Pearl to pin above fingers/bridge 5 1/2" pin to PAP it will match my game better than a closer pin to PAP as I have a Big Bang/P for more oil. I wish I had done this with my Masterpiece but oh well. I did not get enough length out of the Masterpiece. Poor layout.

I think the key to laying out some of LM/L balls is that the higher flaring models like the Black Pearl, Masterpiece and others that get more than 4.5" inches of flare on a strong layout is that these balls lend themselves to longer pin to PAP layouts. My PAP is 4 7/8 over and 0.

So, my question is with this layout of longer pin to PAP and a shiny surface if I will get enough length on semi burnt heads on an inside angle. The Buzz was inconsistent at this inside angle but my thinking is that the Black Pearl is more rolly and consistent and with the low load particle would be better on carry down.

Side note. I asked Jim King of BTM what he thought were a few of the best balls on this condition and he said Black Pearl and Angular One....among others. I trust his opinion.

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Scott

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2006, 02:56:08 PM »

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I think the key to laying out some of LM/L balls is that the higher flaring models like the Black Pearl, Masterpiece and others that get more than 4.5" inches of flare on a strong layout is that these balls lend themselves to longer pin to PAP layouts. My PAP is 4 7/8 over and 0.

So, my question is with this layout of longer pin to PAP and a shiny surface if I will get enough length on semi burnt heads on an inside angle. The Buzz was inconsistent at this inside angle but my thinking is that the Black Pearl is more rolly and consistent and with the low load particle would be better on carry down.

Side note. I asked Jim King of BTM what he thought were a few of the best balls on this condition and he said Black Pearl and Angular One....among others. I trust his opinion.
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Scott

Scott,

As of now, I think you have to add in the strength of the cover, the amount of polish and the amount of oil in the pattern to your equations. I say this because I just tried my 4th drill on a Masterpiece (This one is 16 lbs; the other 3 were 15 lbs. So far I love the potential of this ball but I have to extract it on a long term basis.).

Mine is now the "magic" 5.5" pin to PAP that you're looking for. Mine has pin over ring finger and CG stacked below, no weight hole. On medium oil the ball is still rolling a little t0o early. To use it effectively with its stock high gloss polish (800 grit underneath), I had to add a bunch of axis tilt to my normal 20 degrees (my PAP is 5" x 0", but my rev rate is lower than yours, in the 250 - 300 range).

I'm going to try to sand the cover to 2000 and then re-polish; this is for the next time I see medium oil; they're giving us very little oil lately. SO I'm not sure when that will be.
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Edited on 12/24/2006 1:13 PM

scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2006, 10:38:43 AM »

I think the BP is just going to to be to hard to handle on the semi burnt condition that I am looking to defeat. Probably a Pyro would match up better to my style and lane condition.
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Scott

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2006, 12:16:12 PM »

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I think the BP is just going to to be to hard to handle on the semi burnt condition that I am looking to defeat. Probably a Pyro would match up better to my style and lane condition.
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Scott

Well, don't forget the BP has 800 grit plus Legends polish, which has no grit. Sanding the ball finger, say 1500 - 2000 grit and then applying their polish will add both length and reduce the backend, enabling to handle less oil (up to apoint, that is.) If that is what you bought it for, then it's worth a try. You can always restore it.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2006, 12:22:20 PM »

Agree Jeff. Figured heavy polish over what grit would have to attempt a number of them BUT with the amount of strength in cover even with a weak layout pin over and up 5 1/2" or more I still doubt I can get enough length and ball may get squirrelly.

This is where their hole in the line up for me is and other mfgs. have other options. It's why for me I'll never stick with one mfg. JMO.

I'd like the BP to work but just have to many doubts.

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Scott

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