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Fender

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Control ball
« on: May 08, 2008, 09:16:03 AM »
I would like to buy a control ball (smooth) to my arsenal.
When I started, I wanted a skid/flip balls, but now, after a year of playing I'm realized, that not the look, but constancy and control is the game
Now I have:
Urethane - Light to medium.
Hornet 2500 grit - play with it on almost any conditions.
C300 Messenger Ti Traction -  more rough (grey scotch brite) for long conditions.
Big R Bang (OOB) - Cannot find use for this ball. Too much backend.
Big Bang - not drilled, because of BRB reaction

High revs and medium to high speed. Pap -> 6"

I would like to try particle to get better constancy on carrydown.
I'm looking at NS2... Would it be ok?
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zone

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 05:51:09 PM »
im more of a high rev player with a low track and the ns2 is great and smooth in oil. for me my most used versitle ball is a rico drilled kong and a rico drilled massive impact. very controllable.
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jtmouse

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 05:53:15 PM »
Why don't try black pearl, good for control
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Fender

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 06:01:33 PM »
Have not seen BP, but it has big backend, thats what can i read from reviews.
Kong too is an option.
Kong has more length and backend than NS2. Is it so?
Of course Rico is an option, but here nobody knows that drilling. My driller too... I showed him this layout, but he was sceptical about that
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D-Hammer

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 06:04:28 PM »
Big Bang is particle.
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Fender

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 06:15:24 PM »
Yes, Big Bang is particle, but is it not skid flip? It has the same core and RG numbers like BRB.
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D-Hammer

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 06:26:50 PM »
depends on how you drill it.
go to www.lanemastersbowling.com and look at some drillings.
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charlest

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 06:27:30 PM »
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Yes, Big Bang is particle, but is it not skid flip? It has the same core and RG numbers like BRB.


NO!
So what if it has the same core and the same core numbers? How does that make the reaction identical?

Ball reaction = core + cover + cover's finish + bowler's release + oil pattern + lane surface + drilling.

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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 06:34:15 PM »
Kong is lighter oil ball no matter what there chart says, if you could dull it down you would have a chance. But my pro shop's metal pads could not even cut mine down when i had a span change done, it is like a rock more than a resin ball.
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Gazoo

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2008, 06:56:49 PM »
Don't mean to repeat myself, "WCPP is control!"
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don coyote

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2008, 07:05:45 PM »
I would recommend a RED ZONE. Smooth thru the heads and a CURVE, more than hook. They are cheap on ebay right now. VERY NICE BALL! BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR SELECTION!
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zone

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2008, 09:01:21 PM »
my kong is a ball i can use all 3 games of league with ease. not nearly a "big hooking ball" like advertised. just doesnt like carry down which i very rarely see. when the pattern is alittle more slick i use the massive impact. very smooth arcing ball. even when u hit extreme dry it just makes a harder arc. its very hard for me to find a control ball. world class reactive was WAY too snappy on backend. i really dont have much luck we any reactives. i mostly throw shined/dulled particle balls.
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jd1319

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 09:29:34 PM »
Not everybody's definition of control is the same, however, if you want one that was designed to be that ball, it is the WCPP, one of the most predictable balls on the market.
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Jay

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Re: Control ball
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 10:21:30 PM »
I agree about the WCPP.  It seems to be very controllable.  Of course layouts and releases say a lot about a ball's reaction but I've heard it's pretty smooth in general for something that can have some hook in the back.

I have the Counter Strike which is also a Particle Pearl and I really like it.  Given a good amount of oil it can get through the heads pretty clean, reads the mids a little bit, and gives a nice arcing backend motion rather than snap.

I'd say either of these will be good for arcing backends.  But if you want something smooth through the whole lane you'll probably need to have plenty of oil and a completely different ball like maybe a Terminator, XS Power(not to familiar with the characteristics of these but I know they handle oil), or something dull from another company.  I personally have a Rival that has a controllable backend motion but I bet it could be even more smooth from start to finish with another layout and possibly more surface.
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Re: Control ball
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 11:28:38 PM »
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Not everybody's definition of control is the same, however, if you want one that was designed to be that ball, it is the WCPP, one of the most predictable balls on the market.


for 95% of strokers, every ball is a control ball.

The WCPP is, by design, not a control ball. Neither BTM nor BJI, the best professional testers in bowling, regard the WCPP as a control ball. The backend for the average bowler, NOT the average stroker, is HUGE. It is basically not a control ball.

Solid particle balls are USUALLY control balls for many people; particle pearls are not, for the average bowler.

Remember, guys, that your release has a HUGE effect on the ball's reaction. Do not assume that everyone's reaction is going to be exactly the same as yours for any one ball.
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