Author Topic: First Practice With The World Class Reactive (Read 8852 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** August 20, 2006, 08:10:19 AM »

I couldn't wait to get my 14# World Class Reactive. Now I can't wait to get rid of it if things don't change. Hits like a marshmallow or sack of mashed potatoes while at the same time on the same conditions, my 14# World Class Particle, 14# Absolute Inferno, and 14# Storm Triple X all blow the pins away. Expecially my WC Particle and Absolute Inferno. Those two balls are definitely keepers.

I tried the WC Reactive on synthetic lanes Friday which had a lot of usage from kids using bumper pads and tried it on wood lanes today with fresh stripped and oiled lanes and on some wood lanes that had some useage and it is a dud on all of them. Instead of calling this ball World Class Reactive, they should have left the "CL" off the Class name. To sum it up, I am really disappointed as I had really looked forward to this ball being a good ball/match-up for me.

I will probably sell it, but want to wait a few days while I cool off about making such a bad purchase. Right now I am really upset and disappoinjted with it.

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Brick

monstercrank · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2006, 11:43:11 PM »

could you snap a pic of it shiny? i would like to see what the ball actually looks like out of curiosity, they never do look like the pics lol
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2006, 01:22:44 AM »

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could you snap a pic of it shiny? i would like to see what the ball actually looks like out of curiosity, they never do look like the pics lol

My wife has a camera, but don't know how to put the pictures on this site. Pictures don't usually look the same as a ball in person does anyhow.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2006, 12:22:40 PM »

Here's a lil of my opinion which you can take and shove for all it's worth but I know a lil about Jim and Harry's games.

In the long run both of you with your low rev less hand techniques are NOT going to like high RG balls which LM/Legends are. LM/Legends balls are mainly high RG and strong cover balls.

Ball Comparison

TRIPLE XTREMEâ„¢ Technical Specifications
Coverstock ACCU-Tread Solid Reactive
Weight Block RAD3â„¢ Triple Disk Technology
Ball Color Red/Purple/Blue
Ball Finish 800-grit Matte
Radius of Gyration 2.52 (Low)
Differential .055 (High)
Durometer 75-77 Rex D-Scale Rex D-scale
Flare Potential High (6â€ Plus) (High)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Absolute Power
Core Dynamics
Two-component
Dynamically
Symmetrical core
RG Max: 2.513â€
RG Min: 2.463â€
RG Diff: 0.050â€
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lane Condition: Medium Oil
Coverstock: World Class Particle
Ball Color: Royal / Sapphire
Ball Finish: Sheen
Radius of Gyration: 2.611"
Differential: 0.035"
Durometer: 73-75
Track Flare: 4.5" +

See the problem here Jim and Harry. I don't think either of you guys are going to like high RG lower hooking balls for the most part. JMO.

Guys like charlest and others like high RG balls because we have a harder time using hook monsters on most THS lane conditions. In many ways, I wish I had less hand like both of you with enough power at the pocket to carry.

I'd be looking at other types of equipment for both of you with lower RG's and good layouts.

These are just my opinions but I have seen you both complain about these same types of issues before. Take it for what it's worth....not much.

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Scott

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2006, 12:46:13 PM »

scotts33 i am lower rev higher speed guy myself, you are somewhat right and more so wrong here IMO. I have made surface changes to many of the legends balls and loved them all, in fact i sold one legends new standard and an absolute power off of all the legend lane masters balls i have bought. They are some of the strongest balls i own which was around 280-300 before recently selling off about 60 plus of them.

Surface choices first and drilling choices to match a person's game are way more critical than saying high rg are all out. These covers on these balls are so strong they overcome most release mistakes and they do not need the stronger cores that other brands do. Have you ever tried to cut down one of the diamond prticle balls??? If yes you will realize these balls are hard to cut down , even the super carbon based balls do not cut down as easy as other brands.

Btw you were a visionary man for a long time i do not match up with those weak covers at all that they use on there reactives. I have never owned the scorcher so that might be a different horse all together, but overall i do not have enough hand to make the visionary work well. The g-3 and frankie may are the two visionary balls i am keeping every other one is sold or going to be soon enough. My g-3 is at 1000 matte and my frankie may is at 500 matte, just to make these balls work for me on there intended lane conditions.

charlest · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2006, 12:53:52 PM »

Scott,

In general, I'd agree with you, but in the case of most/many Legends balls, their coverstocks are so aggressive that they act like lower RG-cored balls. I am. of course, hedging my bets by saying "most/many" because I have seen some that act like they have higher RG cores.

This is proven by brickguy's positive (so far) experience with the World CLass particle. Note that this not only has a high-ish RG, it also has a very low RG differential for relatively low flare. How this fits into his low speed, low rev game can only be due to the coverstock's aggressiveness PLUS his use of it on the RIGHT oil pattern.

Because of the Big Bang's greater built-in length (but not by a huge margin) over the World Class, I'd bet he would NOT be as successful with it. BUT I"d bet he'd like the Yeah Baby! and hate the New Standard. Bet he'd love the Big Kahuna because of its sharp, mid-lane (NOT back end) break on medium oil. Just some wild guesses.

The problem is you have discover for yourself, via reviews or people's experiences of seeing them used, which balls act like those you need.

Realize that for a relatively small company they have a large number of ball model releases; my guess is that they are still feelign their way along, trying to learn which ball designs their public likes best.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:45:04 PM »

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Because of the Big Bang's greater built-in length (but not by a huge margin) over the World Class, I'd bet he would NOT be as successful with it. BUT I"d bet he'd like the Yeah Baby! and hate the New Standard. Bet he'd love the Big Kahuna because of its sharp, mid-lane (NOT back end) break on medium oil. Just some wild guesses.

Wow, Charlest is dead on here and he seems to do it without a Chrystal Ball or Tarot Cards....lol .....Listen to this...

Although I didn't buy either WC ball (both particle and reactive) from Anne Marie Duggan, she told me I would like the World Class Particle but not the Big Bang. (same as Charlest said)

I threw a friends Yeah Baby and liked it. (Same as Charlest said) In fact I almost bought one prior to my buying the WC Particle because it seems so versatile for several people that I know that have it. In fact I almost bought one a year ago, but fear and stubborness stopped me from doing so, but now wish I had done so as I think it would have saved me a bunch of money from buying wrong balls after that.

I tried a friends New Standard and didn't like it. (same as Charlest said)

What more can I say.......Charlest is right in what he says here.

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Brick

mini kahuna · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2006, 09:50:29 AM »

I was in the same boat as you,I had a new standard and a yeah baby and I could not get the reaction I wanted out of either of them.
I tryed surface,redrills,hand realese changes,I just never got comfortable with either ball.
I had people telling me the balls looked great going down the lane but I didn't like what I saw at all.
you have to like what you see when you use a ball or it kills you mentally.
I know for myself I can roll a ball a couple of games and know if it is going to work for me.
I had a track ball many years ago and after 5 frames it was dud city,I didn't match up with it.
bottom line don't get down because your matching up bad to a ball it happens to everyone.
by the way I sold the two balls to a guy with a low track and he loves them,go figure!!

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2006, 04:23:40 PM »

MY two cents to add to this continuing and very interesting post with many informative threads with (FYI, my stats, balls, and layouts are in my profile, if interested).
Anyway, I too am having issues with the new WC reactive (although I LOVE my World Class particle - I have two now), I had problems with the Big Bang and the BUZZ (sold them both), and was having a hard time with the Terminator until a chat with Galen today; to make a longer story relatively short, I took both the Terminator and WCR up to 2000 abralon and put a good coat of their Factory Finish polish on them ... the Terminator shines now, but the jury is still out on the WCR (just not the back end finish that I was hoping for ... my Masterpiece is actually stronger).
Galen and I decide and agreed during today's chat that, after months of working together on various balls and layouts, that pins below the ring just aren't working out for me (Big Bang, Buzz, and the WCR is even with the bottom of the ring and to the right of it). The WCR is much better now with the new surface, but even Galen said that I may want to plug and redrill it with a different layout and use it as a test just to see another pin location will give me the backend described in the BTM review.
Any thought, inputs, suggestions, et cetera, would be welcomed and greatly appreciated !!!
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2006, 07:59:25 PM »

Tried the WC Reactive again today. Per Galens instructions, I sanded the cover with the gray scotch-brite pad that came with the ball and this took the shine off it. The reaction was no different. Still the same and still no back-end and the ball still ball hits like a sack of mashed potatoes. As before, on the same conditions, the WC Particle will work by moving left a bit and staying in the oil. Ditto for the Absolute inferno. And the Triple X also worked over 10 out to about 7. The WC Reactive didn't work on any of those shots or on any other shots I tried. Even tried it on the twig and still no back-end no matter where I stood and threw.

I note that Rob is not getting any backend on his ball either. If I read his report on this ball right, he has the Pin under RF and maybe the CG out? I have the Pin beside RF and CG Stacked (3 3/4 x 3 3/4) and I have no backend either. I love that WC Particle though which is drilled 3 1/2 x 3 with the top of the Pin favoring the bottom of the RF cut line. (beside and top of pin touching the RF cut line) I will now go with mrbowlingnut's first suggestion next of 500 grit Abralon and polish very lightly with the Legends polish.

I'm simply at a complete loss of why this ball has no back-end or "pop" on the back-end no matter where I stand or how I throw. I would like to know what those boys at BTM were smoking or drinking when they blowed about what a great backend this ball has. Especially where they stated that they almost got whiplash watching it jump off the dry. I haven't even seen anything come close to that. Not even close.

I'm not a good bowler by any means and don't profess to be. I have 15 MPH speed and low revs and not much hand. Rob is a much-much better bowler than I and yet it appears that neither one of us can get a decent backend out of this ball, so there is either something wrong with this WC Reactive ball or something wrong with us and since it someone besides my self, I don't think it is us.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 22, 2006, 08:39:14 PM »

Slight TJ. Suggestion to Jim the Brick. Try a Visionary Immortal Solid when it comes out. Read up on it and see that the core/cover with the correct layout should give you the backend you are looking for. Just a suggestion.

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Laybzz74 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:53:57 PM »

Jim,
After reading your last thread entry, I do believe that it's me AND the layout ... NOT the ball; I've heard too many good reports on it and I normally feel that the BTM reviews are pretty close ... I believe that the layout just doesn't "match up" for me with the pin that low. Even a balance hole below my midline and on the VAL didn't do much, much to Galen's and my surprise ... and it should of.
You "hear" me constantly state to roomies in BR about getting a layout that suits their style, game and the conditions; after working with Galen for the last 6 months, I believe that he and I have hit on a common denominator ... pins below my ring DON'T "match up" and suit my game. I TRULY believe that this ball, the Buzz, and the Big Bang will be different animals for me if and when I get another and choose better layouts ... pin in the ring (WC), pin above the ring (the other WC), pin right of the ring (NS), pin above and slightly right(Masterpiece), KONG (pin above and right of ring), et cetera; all of those balls I have confidence in and success with ... AND consistant, dependable reactions.
Time will time ... and of course, I keep y'all posted and updated.

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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 23, 2006, 12:31:43 AM »

Rob, I hope it works out for you. I am just plumb dumbfounded why this ball will not move for me while all of my other balls move good. I even went back to the lanes again this evening and took the WC Reactive and my Track Heat, GP2 & Havoc and the GP2, Heat & Havoc move, but the WC Reactive still had the same performance that it has been having which is doing nothing. As for Pin positions on my balls, I have:

WC Particle........Pin beside and at bottom edge of RF hole... 3 1/2 x 3
WC Reactive........Pin beside RF and CG stacked.....3 3/4 x 3 3/4
Absolute Inferno....Pin almost completely under bridge ....4 1/2 x 4
Storm Triple X......Pin under RF and RAD out....4 1/4 x 3 1/3
Track Havoc........Pin under RF and MB out....4 1/4 x 4
Track GP2..........Pin under RF and MB out....4 1/4 x 4 3/4
Track Heat.........Pin beside RF and CG in palm....Label drill

Does all of this tell anyone anything?

Does the 1/4 x 3/4 difference between the WC Particle and Reactive make that much difference? I don't see how the difference in reaction could be that big between the two balls.

Anyone, before I sell the ball?

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Brick

Edited on 8/23/2006 12:16 PM

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 23, 2006, 07:07:49 AM »

Jim,
Do you have a balance hole in it yet

And you still have more options regarding adjusting the surface, so unless you REALLY want to sell it, I'd keep working with Galen and exhaust all of the possibilities before you take that loss.
Regarding the comment in that last thread, yes ... apparently the layout difference DOES make that much of a difference; but remember, not only are the distances for the PAP to the pin and cg different, but the covers and cores are completely different too.
(Speaking for myself on this ball, I plan to exhaust ALL of my options before I sell it ... and I MOST LIKELY won't plug and redrill it since a 2 drill resale won't even pay for the plugwork).
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 23, 2006, 11:43:45 AM »

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Jim,
Do you have a balance hole in it yet

Ball had 1 1/4 oz side weight before drilling balance hole. A small shallow balance was drilled on the VAL.

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Brick

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 23, 2006, 12:32:12 PM »

Jim,
PM sent ...
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

Edited on 8/23/2006 12:26 PM

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