Author Topic: First Practice With The World Class Reactive (Read 8850 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** August 20, 2006, 08:10:19 AM »

I couldn't wait to get my 14# World Class Reactive. Now I can't wait to get rid of it if things don't change. Hits like a marshmallow or sack of mashed potatoes while at the same time on the same conditions, my 14# World Class Particle, 14# Absolute Inferno, and 14# Storm Triple X all blow the pins away. Expecially my WC Particle and Absolute Inferno. Those two balls are definitely keepers.

I tried the WC Reactive on synthetic lanes Friday which had a lot of usage from kids using bumper pads and tried it on wood lanes today with fresh stripped and oiled lanes and on some wood lanes that had some useage and it is a dud on all of them. Instead of calling this ball World Class Reactive, they should have left the "CL" off the Class name. To sum it up, I am really disappointed as I had really looked forward to this ball being a good ball/match-up for me.

I will probably sell it, but want to wait a few days while I cool off about making such a bad purchase. Right now I am really upset and disappoinjted with it.

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Brick

golfnutFL · « **Reply #31 on:** August 23, 2006, 12:56:58 PM »

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I'm simply at a complete loss of why this ball has no back-end or "pop" on the back-end no matter where I stand or how I throw. I would like to know what those boys at BTM were smoking or drinking when they blowed about what a great backend this ball has. Especially where they stated that they almost got whiplash watching it jump off the dry. I haven't even seen anything come close to that. Not even close.

I'm not a good bowler by any means and don't profess to be. I have 15 MPH speed and low revs and not much hand. Rob is a much-much better bowler than I and yet it appears that neither one of us can get a decent backend out of this ball, so there is either something wrong with this WC Reactive ball or something wrong with us and since it someone besides my self, I don't think it is us.
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Brick

Sorry to hear about your experiences with this ball. I'd be bummed too if I were you.

My experience with this ball has been completely different than yours. I have left it with OOB surface and it's 15 lbs. For me it is exactly as BTM described.....SNAPS off the dry. I have mine drilled stacked and bowl on synthetics that are normally, for summer leagues, medium to medium light (and occassionally REALLY light). I would say that I have medium revs and medium speed.

My preferred game is a typical down and in stroker-type. I've found that to be impossible with this ball on a med-med/light condition. I have to get waaayyy deeper because of the backend snap. For me it is a few boards stronger in the backend than my Masterpiece. It's been fun to experiment this summer with it but I'm not sure that it fits my preferred game.

I agree with you regarding the original WC. Great ball, it has much more of my preferred reaction shape....just hope that I see enough oil to use it when the fall leagues start up next week.

I have bought 4 L/LM balls in the last 2 months; Masterpiece, WC, WCR, and the Terminator. Only the WC, for me, would NOT be considered skid/snap. I guess they could be altered with drillings and surface prep but I don't prefer to tame down the strength of bowling balls. I like to drill them aggressively and use their OOB finish so that they work as the mfg intended. For weaker reactions I buy less aggressive coverstocks, i.e Hot Rod Hybrid, Pure Hammer, Slate Blue Gargoyle etc.

It's surprising that your Triple X is working but your WCR is not. I find the WCR to be much more aggressive than the Triple X. It must just not be a good matchup for you. Nothing else makes much sense to me. It happens to all of us, no matter what you try with a ball it just doesn't match up.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 23, 2006, 01:08:58 PM »

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It's surprising that your Triple X is working but your WCR is not. I find the WCR to be much more aggressive than the Triple X.

Maybe the stacked 3 3/4 x 3 3/4 drilling with Pin beside RF and weight hole on the VAL is not for me, I don't know. The WC Particle is close to the same drilling with 3 1/2 x 3, but Pin is lower as it is beside and at bottom edge of RF line. The Triple X (one of my all time favorites) is 4 1/4 x 3 1/2 with Pin under RF and weight hole 2" under my PAP on mid line.

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Brick

golfnutFL · « **Reply #33 on:** August 23, 2006, 01:55:09 PM »

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It's surprising that your Triple X is working but your WCR is not. I find the WCR to be much more aggressive than the Triple X.

Maybe the stacked 3 3/4 x 3 3/4 drilling with Pin beside RF and weight hole on the VAL is not for me, I don't know. The WC Particle is close to the same drilling with 3 1/2 x 3, but Pin is lower as it is beside and at bottom edge of RF line. The Triple X (one of my all time favorites) is 4 1/4 x 3 1/2 with Pin under RF and weight hole 2" under my PAP on mid line.

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Brick

I'm not sure that the difference in drill would be causing as dramatic a difference as you're seeing. The way you have it drilled should produce at least some back-end reaction for anyone. After everything you've already tried I think that it is probably just a ball that doesn't match up for you. You've tried a few surface alterations already, all that's left is to redrill and retry the surface alterations with the new drill....or sell it and move on.

I had a similar problem with the original Cherry Bomb, nothing worked to my satisfaction. Went through a similar experience (a real cream puff back end reaction while similar balls worked fine), altered surface, redrilled.....just could not get that ball to work for me.

It sucks, it's expensive, but it happens. Me personally, I don't redrill anymore. It kills any return on investment that you might get.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 23, 2006, 02:17:03 PM »

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It sucks, it's expensive, but it happens.

Yeah, I am learning that the expensive way....lol... This is the 3rd ball that I couldn't do anything with the past 12 months.

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Brick

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 23, 2006, 03:35:01 PM »

I believe the key point in the thread from golfnutfl is the conditions are medium to medium-lighty; if you check the BTM review, it states that it needs to "sniff the dry" to kick back towards the pocket with that dramatic back end snap and that the polished surface tends to skid on heavier oil ... and again, comparing the WC and the WCR is like comparing apples and oranges, particle surface versus reactive resin, and studded snow tires versus all-season or M+S tires.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #36 on:** August 23, 2006, 03:59:51 PM »

James...James...James...my long lost uncle my family kept me away from....now I know why.

Try this on the ball Jim. Take it to 2000 abralon, if that doesn't promote enough skid, try 4000.

I'd also like you to have all your positive static weights checked for me(top, pos side and finger). Can you also tell me where your weight hole (size and depth)is on your val? (above or below midline/pap)

From the Lanemasters I've drilled and seen, they like to check and roll a little early. This is why I suspect they push the rg's so high to help offset some of the cover strength. I've seen the WCR in action and it's not bad. It definitely goes longer and has more finish then the WCP. I'm wondering if the weight hole drilled pulled out too much pos static which at your ball speed should still have some effect and the ball just isn't storing enough energy for the backend since you have tried multiple covers now.

Get back to me and I'll try to help...also responded to your email, thanks.
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As I mentioned, I see the Lanemasters roll fairly early so that also ties in with why pin "under" positionings may not work for you. Just a thought...
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Laybzz74 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 23, 2006, 04:05:11 PM »

Very good points, Rick ... and thanx for taking a side trip from the TRACK Legion to help us "older guys" !!!
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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 23, 2006, 04:16:05 PM »

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I believe the key point in the thread from golfnutfl is the conditions are medium to medium-lighty; if you check the BTM review, it states that it needs to "sniff the dry" to kick back towards the pocket with that dramatic back end snap and that the polished surface tends to skid on heavier oil ... and again, comparing the WC and the WCR is like comparing apples and oranges, particle surface versus reactive resin, and studded snow tires versus all-season or M+S tires.

Robb, in a way I agree with you, but if that is true, then out of the 4 other Reactives that I listed other than the WC Reactive, and they ALL work on a lot of conditions conditions, some better than others, and the WC Reactive not working on none of the same conditions, then that would lead me to think the
WC Reactive is maybe strictly condition specific.

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Brick

Edited on 8/23/2006 4:11 PM

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 23, 2006, 04:19:37 PM »

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Very good points, Rick ... and thanx for taking a side trip from the TRACK Legion to help us "older guys" !!!

Hey Robb, I recruited Rick by Email today....lol....Honestly, I really did. He has been working with me for a year and a half or more now. I went to see him in may of this year. He is my favorite nephew.

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Brick

Edited on 8/23/2006 6:00 PM

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 23, 2006, 04:27:28 PM »

Jim,
Rick's a good one ... I've PMed many times in the past with questions and to get advise.
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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:33:27 PM »

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I'd also like you to have all your positive static weights checked for me(top, pos side and finger). Can you also tell me where your weight hole (size and depth)is on your val? (above or below midline/pap)

Rick, sent you an Email about this info.

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Brick

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 25, 2006, 04:33:09 PM »

Things are looking better guys, things are starting to look better.
With a bit more tweaking, this ball may make it yet.

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Brick

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 25, 2006, 04:38:03 PM »

JIM,
FYI ... I had another weight hole put in this ball (plugged the other,of course ... location for the new one is in my profile, along with the current surface) and like you, I see a much better ball and backend reaction now; I'm waiting for Galen to get back from testing so that I can run a few things passed him, but I believe that I have the ball that I thought that I was getting now !!! Time will tell, of course. !!!
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 27, 2006, 05:33:34 PM »

As I posted the other day, I made some cover stock adjustments with Abralon Pads and Polish and it worked much better this past Thursday. Tried this ball again today on freshly stripped and oiled wood lanes and left cover the same as I had it this past Thursday. Ball didn't work quite as well today as it did this past Thursday until I moved to the outside edge of the oil line almost in the dry, and then it performed better. To sum it up, for me and my style and release, it appears that this ball isn't going to like oil. Without trying it more, at this time I am going to guess it is probably more of a light to medium-light oil ball for me, but definitely not medium oil. It is a way-way-way weaker ball than my Absolute Inferno for medium oil conditions.

After trying this ball a bit more, if I am still not 100% happy with the ball, I have 2-3 more sanding-polishing combinations in mind to try as well as possibly moving the weight hole off the VAL.
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Brick

Edited on 8/28/2006 0:05 AM

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 27, 2006, 07:15:47 PM »

Jim,
To quote you: "Ball didn't work quite as well today as it did this past Thursday until I moved to the outside edge of the oil line almost in the dry, and then it performed better."
THAT'S the key; even BTM said that it needs dry and doesn't react well in oil;
be careful of expectations and just try to judge the ball on it's own merit and strengths.

BTW, now that I have the new balance hole done, I'm gonna work on new covers ... gonna check out 2000 and 4000 abralon and NO polish. More later ...
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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

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