Post by: DukeHarding on November 02, 2006, 04:41:32 PM
Ball is every bit as good (and strong) as the Hammer No Mercy.
I'm at 4000 grit w/ polish w/ a coat of Magic Shine.
I guess it will be staying on the bench for awhile.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 05, 2006, 09:39:02 PM
4000 grit AND a coat of Legends Extended Length polish ONLY (or the equivalent) MAY do the trick for you ... just a thought.
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Post by: DukeHarding on November 05, 2006, 10:13:43 PM
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Duke,
4000 grit AND a coat of Legends Extended Length polish ONLY (or the equivalent) MAY do the trick for you ... just a thought.
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Robb,
WOuld Legends Ext. Length Polish, be a lot different than Track Magic Shine?
(which I have).
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 06, 2006, 06:11:36 AM
The TRACK equivalent is Delayed Reaction (see link); compared what Magic Shine and "DR" does for the ball (both are in the link):
http://www.trackbowling.com/gear/polishes.cfm
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Post by: DukeHarding on November 06, 2006, 08:08:40 AM
Thanks.
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Duke,
The TRACK equivalent is Delayed Reaction (see link); compared what Magic Shine and "DR" does for the ball (both are in the link):
http://www.trackbowling.com/gear/polishes.cfm
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Post by: charlest on November 11, 2006, 09:14:19 AM
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Post by: DukeHarding on November 11, 2006, 09:59:16 AM
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So "Duke", what happened?
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I have the BP at 1000 grit, polished with Track Magic Shine.
I don't see a lot of oil in Chicagoland area centers I bowl in.
I use it in one practice house, which has medium oil, ball reacts well...but basically all balls react well, as the shot is stupid/easy.
I've been using the Big Kahuna, New Standard, NS2.
I will probably try the BP in my Sport Shot league again Monday. Will report on progress...
Big Kahna gave me the front 6 first game last week...Lost focus, and threw double splits, spare, spare = 221. BK is the first ball out of the bag now...followed by NS2...Haven't used New Standard much...few times I have I liked the look it gave me.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 11, 2006, 02:53:51 PM
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Post by: charlest on November 11, 2006, 08:31:33 PM
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I have the BP at 1000 grit, polished with Track Magic Shine.
That's a fairly big change from your last reported: 4000 grit + polish.
(Legends factory finish polish is a rough equivlanet to Magic Shine, but I myself usually use Magic Shine or Brunswick's polish. Both seem somewhat easier to apply than Legends polish. Not sure why. All 3 are gritless.)
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I don't see a lot of oil in Chicagoland area centers I bowl in.
I use it in one practice house, which has medium oil, ball reacts well...but basically all balls react well, as the shot is stupid/easy.
Not much oil here in NJ either, but many shots here are stupid hard due to neglect.
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I've been using the Big Kahuna, New Standard, NS2.
2 of my favorite Legends balls; NS and BK. Trying to wean myself off the NS; haven't used it in 4-5 weeks. Of course, with all the dry I see, I now have a reason to use/try it again: I Trizact'd it with the white pad, cesium oxide, about 10,000 grit, significantly finer than Abralon's 4000 grit. Then I applied polish!
One day I'll get brave enough to try it ...)quote:
I will probably try the BP in my Sport Shot league again Monday. Will report on progress...
One of my leagues screwed us over, yet again and flooded th elanes again. My Kong was barely moving. Just drilled up a BP and left it stock to see what happens during practice this week. Have to try it one day before league day.
That way I'll know if I need to change the surface before using it in league.
Will bring BP, NS and BK to compare them. BK and BP have identical drills; NS has high pin cause the darn thing is so freaking even reacting.
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Big Kahna gave me the front 6 first game last week...Lost focus, and threw double splits, spare, spare = 221. BK is the first ball out of the bag now...followed by NS2...Haven't used New Standard much...few times I have I liked the look it gave me.
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Stop using the BK. It's too much of a crutch. It'll give you 10 - 20 pins extra as far as I can see, if the oil pattern lets you use it ....
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Post by: DukeHarding on November 14, 2006, 12:22:01 AM
I took the BP down to 600 grit with a Green Scotchbrite (4 sides).
Put a coat of Magic Shine on it.
Used it in my Monday Night Sport Shot league at Beverly Lanes. Shot is notorious in the Chicagoland area for being brutal/frustrating.
Started 1st game: turkey, washout, 5 bagger, 5-7 split, spare 7 fill = 237.
2nd game: bucket, spare, double, 9 spare, X, 9 spare, turkey, 3-7-9, 9 out = 214.
3rd game: changed balls switched to NS2 (for 5 frames) went back ro BP ended the night with 155.
I carried everything, including 4-5 Brooklyns/Jersey squashers the first two games.
Ball was reacting well. I would tell you what area of the lane I was shooting, but I don't use the lane or pins for targeting, due to my limited vision. My targeting system is a work in progress...Kind of complicated.
I think the BP with this cover combination, earns a place back into my bag.
I'm having a Hammer No Mercy drilled up tomorrow...I can't wait to see the comparison between the BP and the NM.
I was surprises that the BP went as long as it did at 600 grit.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 14, 2006, 06:07:56 AM
IMHO, with the grit that "low" you must have REALLY raised the particles on that cover ... and the polish gave it the "push" that it needed to get down the lanes. Thanx for following up !!!
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Post by: charlest on November 14, 2006, 06:15:23 AM
Good scoring especially on a sport shot.
600 grit + Magic Shine is fairly agressive, depending on how much Magic Shine you put on.
I tried mine initially and got an over/under reaction on what I regard as a medium+ (long) oil on Anvillane synthetics, but it's only a first run in practice. From all reports here I expected a different reaction. When I got home, I used some Track Clean and Smooth to get a 1500 grit smooth surface; will try it again. I suspect I may have drilled it too mild or it may need some break-in.
Being a stronger and earlier ball, I suspect the No Mercy will have a more even reaction but I want to hear your results and comaprison.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 14, 2006, 06:18:03 AM
3 1/2" pin,3 3/4 x 3 3/4 layout, no WH, pin above & right of the ring,
cg 3/8" above the midline, OOB
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Post by: charlest on November 14, 2006, 06:35:54 AM
Yours has a very strong drill. Mine is 4.5"x5", pin is in the ring finger, 2.5" above the midline. Pin-CG distance is 2 1/4". I'll experiment with surfaces, but suspect it needs a stronger drill. Experiment proceeds ...
Surface now roughly at 1500 grit smooth.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 14, 2006, 07:55:11 AM
I believe that you are correct ... although you STILL may be able to get a better overall and stronger reaction with the proper combo of coverstock and a balance hole.
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Post by: robospare on November 14, 2006, 09:16:55 AM
16lbs
2 5/8 inch pin
3 oz top weight
Pin directly under left ring finger.
CG stacked directly below.
For me this ball opened up the whole left side of the lane on a medium house shot. If I tugged it, the BP held and still got the the hole. If I got it wide the 7 inches of flare got it back to the hole. Very smooth and controllable with a big backend. This one is a definite keeper. My BRB will now sit and probably get sold. Big Bang and Black Pearl is my new 1-2 punch.
Post by: Laybzz74 on November 14, 2006, 12:30:05 PM
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Post by: charlest on November 20, 2006, 01:23:07 PM
I'd say that with the stock polish and average "hand", the BP needs dry to make the turn. So, I think its forte would probably be true medium oil. Although BTM's review indicated a stronger ball than that ( I didn't use the full leverage layout they did to maximize the flare; my pin is at 4.5" from PAP.), I found mine would flip. I needed something stronger; the oil is medium-heavy when we start the night, with a sudden transition. When I start with the stick finish Big Kahuna, I have to either rev it hard using a "B" release or play a lot straighter, almost down and in.
So when I came last week after trying the stock finish, I took it almost all the way down to 1500 grit, but not quite. I used Track's Clean and Smooth, which changes the surface to 1500 matte, but I used less than a full dose. It might be closer to 2000 grit, but still not a full treatment as you can easily still see most of the shine.
This made all the difference. I didn't need to use the "B" (stronger) release and I still had to stand about 5 boards deeper than with my BK. The backend was nicely continuous; I had little pull area, as once the ball started hooking, it didn't stop. I'm glad I didn't drill the ball any stronger than I did.
In fact, this ball's coverstock may, if sanded fully to 800 grit like the WC and the BB be as strong as they are, BUT it has a higher flaring core, which could result in even more hook. Spooky!
Aside:
I think the BK has finally surpassed the New Standard as my favorite Legends ball. As long as there's enough head oil, I can "swing it and bring it" or go down the boards, playing anywhere from gutter to 10 board. It never overreacts yet the backend is always continuous. The BP has much more backend and is controllable, but not as controllable as the BK, for me.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on November 20, 2006, 01:26:41 PM
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**** Official "L/LM ball junkie" ****
Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!
Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
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