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splendorlex

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Good first L/LM ball?
« on: February 19, 2007, 01:15:10 PM »
You know, what would be a good intro to their product line?  Something for a wide range of medium type conditions?  You know, a THS ball for a stroker.  
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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LaneHammer20

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 09:28:24 PM »
well I ain't the best to ask, But I would probably point you towards the World Class Reactive, being my most strongly advised one for what you want. And if I had a Backup ball to direct you I would say the Big Kahuna from what I have heard
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LaneHammer20

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 09:30:45 PM »
actually I think the WCR will be one that is mentioned alot.
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Kinalyx

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2007, 09:59:13 PM »
My first was the world class particle.  I went with my favorite 5" pin on it, CGnomaddah, but i went with a 60º CG if that matters to u.  Ball gets decent length, & will JUMP off bone dry boards or back ends, but on anything but flatter patterns, or flying back ends, this ball is SMOOTH.  

I tried throwing my total NV last night & had carry problems, even when going more direct with less hand.  I pulled out my WCP & moved 2/1 right, the ball evened out the lane & gave me a great look at the pocket.  The carry on my WCP is amazing, light mixers have no chance, high flush is always 10 in the pit, & i leave VERY few 10 pins with it.

My suggestion would be the WCP drilled somewhat weak like mine.  Or....for a typical medium THS, the buzz would be damn hard to beat.


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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 10:42:52 PM »
Ryan,


What do you want it to replace or fit between?  Newer synthetic?  How do they condition them?
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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 10:48:06 PM »
Big Bang  Well for Synthetics anyways.  I didn't like it much on wood, but it tore up the Syns..
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splendorlex

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2007, 10:55:38 PM »
3 month old ProAnvilane, medium heavy 39' Crown pattern.  I've had some over/under issues on this pattern.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2007, 11:01:07 PM »
What Hammer balls do you want this LM/L ball to fit between or replace Ryan?
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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 11:14:36 PM »
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I've had some over/under issues on this pattern.


No Buzz for you Ryan if you have over/under problems.  I assume Doom is over/under???? You have a Pain what does it do?

Look at some 1000 sheen LM/L particles take out the over/under and remember you need some ball speed to use some of these hooking balls.  Look at some of the middle of the roaders that charlest and Laybzz would suggest.
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charlest

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 06:09:50 AM »
Due to your lower ball speed and lower rev rate, I think the WC Reactive or the Masterpiece are decent places to start. Normally I'd recommend the NS or the BK but their being particle balls and the house shot usually breaking down fast, these particle balls would likely start burning up in the midlane by the end of the 2nd game.

I'd also suggest strongish drills for each, either 4x5 or 4x3, with not a high pin position (ring finger hole at the highest).

The WCR will be flippier and the MP will have a strong arc-like rection with a slightly earlier and more even rection. Due to your stroker inclinations, the WCR might be more powerful for you, given its harder reaction at the breakpoint, IN GENERAL.
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splendorlex

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 08:08:27 AM »
What I've been carrying in my bag is an Absolute and my Doom.  At first it was my Pain and the Doom, but the Pain wasn't coming off the break as hard as I liked, and the Doom was struggling on the fresh until the end of the second game or so.  The last two weeks I've thrown the Absolute exclusively (I actually just GOT the ball two weeks ago) and after hitting it with a nice coat of polish it seems to work pretty well on the shot.  I'm speed dominant, but I can throw the Abs as hard as I like and I can't throw it through the break.  One problem I see with it right now is if I'm forced to play deeper, which for me is about 15 out to 8 or so, the Abs doesn't quite have the oomph I would like turning the corner.  I don't necessarily feel like I have a "need" so much right now as I've been thinking of trying a L/LM ball due to the longevity I've heard of.  If there's something I feel like I'm missing in my arsenal, it's a particle or particle pearl for a smoother reaction when I play in tourneys.  Over the weekend I could have really used something that could get through the heads, make a smooth transition and still have hitting power.  Am I meandering here or what?  
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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splendorlex

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2007, 08:04:55 AM »
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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 01:19:48 PM »
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What I've been carrying in my bag is an Absolute and my Doom.  At first it was my Pain and the Doom, but the Pain wasn't coming off the break as hard as I liked, and the Doom was struggling on the fresh until the end of the second game or so.  The last two weeks I've thrown the Absolute exclusively (I actually just GOT the ball two weeks ago) and after hitting it with a nice coat of polish it seems to work pretty well on the shot.  I'm speed dominant, but I can throw the Abs as hard as I like and I can't throw it through the break.  One problem I see with it right now is if I'm forced to play deeper, which for me is about 15 out to 8 or so, the Abs doesn't quite have the oomph I would like turning the corner.


That might be because of the extra polish you added. Kind of surprising, given you speed dominance over rev rate.

I'd strongly suggest returning it to its out of the box, stock surface and playing slightly deeper (maybe 17 to 7/8). With the stock surface you're likely to see more backend and greater separation between it and the Doom. In between might fit the Masterpiece. I say, "MIGHT"!

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 I don't necessarily feel like I have a "need" so much right now as I've been thinking of trying a L/LM ball due to the longevity I've heard of.  If there's something I feel like I'm missing in my arsenal, it's a particle or particle pearl for a smoother reaction when I play in tourneys.  Over the weekend I could have really used something that could get through the heads, make a smooth transition and still have hitting power.  Am I meandering here or what?  
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Ryan,

With the AI polished and the Doom, looking for something in between is like looking for a needle in a haystack. The Legends Masterpiece is to close to the AI, in general.

The Terminator would POSSIBLY (not the emphasis) fit above the AI and with its polished surface, give you what you "THINK" you have been looking for.

I am not sure it is what you need.

Need and WANT can be two very different things.

Good luck.

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2007, 04:09:23 PM »
Honestly, I just WANT to try a L/LM ball.  I don't mind if it overlaps, heck, my Absolute and Doom almost overlap!  Looking at some of the options, the Black Pearl caught my eye as something interesting.  Is there a particular type of ball that's good for a "down and in" shot?  I'm more likely to play directly up the 10 board than anything else.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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charlest

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Re: Good first L/LM ball?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2007, 04:53:03 PM »
No ball is inherently useful as a down and in ball. It depends on the ball, your style (release and ball speed) and the oil amount.

If you're using the polished AI as a down and in ball then the WCR and the MP should work,

If you're using the Doom, then an Absolute Power or a Buzz MIGHT work. The Buzz would need a longer pin because it has more backend than the Doom.
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