Author Topic: Is there a break-in period with Lanemasters covers? (Read 2188 times)

DP3 · « **on:** October 10, 2007, 03:02:44 AM »

I recently drilled a Sure Strike and was very disappointed in the roll of it. I threw it for 6 shots on the USBC Masters pattern and where I had other balls hook from(from a Strike Zone down in my bag to a Whirl Wind), the Sure Strike went about 50 feet and made no attempt to read whatsoever. Everyone was heralding this ball as a stronger pearl on medium patterns and I did not see that. The ball is drilled with pin 5" to PAP over the ring and a small hole on my PAP for some added midlane(which I did not get).

For the type of read I saw out of my limited shots with the ball, I was better off getting a Neptune or Cherry Vibe. That is the first Lanemasters ball I've ever thrown and I'm wondering if there's any break in period with the ball and will it eventually get stronger after 6-10 games or so?

I'm thinking I should give it a shot on a THS but bowling in the leagues and tournaments I am, I may not even see a house shot for awhile aside from subbing every now and then.

When you guys say this is a strong pearl, what is that in comparison to?
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:43:38 PM »

DJ,

A 5" pin is fairly far away from your PAP for core. I'm not sure that is the problem. The SS is not a weak ball, but it certainly needs dry to make the turn.

I have not noticed any break-in period with my Lm/L balls. When they hook, they HOOK. I haven't used one yet, but it is supposed to much stronger than a Neptune and in the range of the Cherry Vibe (from what I have hear d the CV is stronger than designed.) My Buzz is much stronger than my Hornet and my Hornet is stronger than my friend's Neptune.

As far as I know, the SS goes longer than the Buzz with more backend, both on "relatively" medium oil but definitely hitting some dry.
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LowRG · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:36:45 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Masters pattern is a fairly high volume of oil. Surface is a must and I don't think judging a shiny pearl ball with a long pin is fair here. If you remember, Doug Kent won slow hooking a Black Widow last year. My Sure Strike is a beast with a 5.5" pin-PAP, but I sure as hell won't try to throw it where there isn't dry unless I want to plaque some nice leaves. Length layouts are not your friend on a majority of the PBA shots when they are fresh. Plus you have to look at the RG of the core in this particular piece. It is 2.585, and a diff of 0.04. Not conducive to hook on a high volume shot, especially with the 5" pin-PAP layout.

Overall, I'd compare mine to a Spit Fire. Very similar in reaction with the same layout.

Edited on 10/10/2007 3:39 PM

DP3 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2007, 04:04:05 PM »

I know it's a higher volume pattern around 39 feet in length. The thing is, I wasn't trying to hook it alot at all. I never strayed away from 12-14 at the breakpoint and never had my feet deeper than 26. At the end of the night I ended up playing a polished Awesome Hook standing 13 and piping up 6-7(where the OOB was at the start). On the fresh and transition I was able to play a Whirlwind straighter and get a nice kick down the lane with the same Layout(no x-hole on whirlwind though).

After reading on these boards how it was a strong pearl benchmark ball, I didn't want to go too strong with the layout because I didn't want to sacrifice a move off the breakpoint for earlier flare in oil. So I went with 5" pin high, hole on the axis.

This is one of the benchmark symmetrical layouts I use for a stronger move in the dry. The thing is, this ball ignored all dry at the end of the pattern and kept going straight. I'm going to try it on a House shot sometime this weekend and see where this ball will fit in my bag if I get no buyers by Friday.
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Edited on 10/10/2007 4:04 PM

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2007, 04:25:05 PM »

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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2007, 05:54:22 PM »

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... On the fresh and transition I was able to play a Whirlwind straighter and get a nice kick down the lane with the same Layout(no x-hole on whirlwind though).

DJ,

yo uknow a small X-hole does not affect the hole. It needs a large (1" diam), deep (3" deep) hole, as far as I have learned.

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This is one of the benchmark symmetrical layouts I use for a stronger move in the dry. The thing is, this ball ignored all dry at the end of the pattern and kept going straight.

C'mon, you know a Lanemasters ball will not ignore the dry. If anything, they react too strongly off the dry.

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I'm going to try it on a House shot sometime this weekend and see where this ball will fit in my bag if I get no buyers by Friday.
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you're giving up too easily.

Side note:

Unless you have a lot of end-over-end in your release, the SS is most definitely not a ball I would do my first Lanemasters experiment with.

Jeff

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kdameyer · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2007, 03:30:01 PM »

DP3,
Laybzz74 is right, there is no break in period required for Lanemasters balls, but there may a surface adjustment required which some confuse with a break in period. From your profile, you throw 17 to 18 mph with 70 deg of axis rotation (also 300 rpm). It those stats are accurate, I can see why you may be having a tough time getting the ball to react with box finish. LM ball have a very high RG compared to most companys. This causes them to react later on down the lane. I have had the same issue with their balls and my stats are very similar to yours. If I take some rotation off of the ball(i.e. more forward roll), it will react earlier. I can also use the grey pad and slightly ruff up the surface and get it to react earlier. Once you get it to react you will love it (if it is like their other balls). Pick your poison for the remedy.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2007, 05:29:44 PM »

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DP3,
... LM ball have a very high RG compared to most companys. This causes them to react later on down the lane.

This is only true if their coverstock were exactly the same as everyone else's; they're not.

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I have had the same issue with their balls and my stats are very similar to yours. If I take some rotation off of the ball(i.e. more forward roll), it will react earlier. I can also use the grey pad and slightly ruff up the surface and get it to react earlier. Once you get it to react you will love it (if it is like their other balls). Pick your poison for the remedy.

Yes, adding surface will help if your ball speed is higher than other people'sspeed who are using the same ball and the same drilling.

It will also help if you choose a ball that is not suitable for the oil pattern/lane surface. Then, you have to add surface to get the ball into a roll at the right time.

This is why I have often suggested, as an aexample, that people use the World Class (particle) when their ball speed is higher than average, as opposed to the Big Bang, which is designed to get more length than the WC, while both actually handle the same amount of oil.

With respect to the Sure Strike, the World Class Reactive and the Buzz (and th eolder Masterpiece) all handle medium oil, but the WCR & MP are both earlier than the SS and are usually needed when people have higher ball speeds.

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gfh2a · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2007, 09:17:12 PM »

I just picked one up from duke harding on ebay a couple of days ago... pin under bridge I changed the slug and threw a 668 tonight. I would say I have the same amount of hand but about 2 m/hr slower. This ball hates carrydown period..moved right to make it finish in the last game. This is my third lm ball I had two big bangs both wouldn't hook up as much as this ball with a much stronger drilling. This ball seems to carry much better than the other two by far. If I hit the pocket it struck no doubt. Definetly for drier lanes for someone without a lot of hand like my self.

George
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bowlingmytmouse · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2007, 06:29:17 AM »

Guys, I was there with DP3, we bowl on the same team. And I assure you that it wasn't user error. Yes the pattern is 39 feet but the backends were crisp. I was out there with an AMF Changling and it was hooking to high heavan when it hit the friction(albeit God only knows the specs and cover/core combo of the ball). The only shot that looked good was one he tugged. Other than that it looked like a polished urethane. I was a little disappointed myself because I was thinking about getting one, but I'm not sure now. I'm not saying the ball can't be great, just not what I thought it was gonna be.
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Author Topic: Is there a break-in period with Lanemasters covers? (Read 2188 times)

DP3

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