Author Topic: BK vs Kong (Read 1748 times)

Spoon · « **on:** November 12, 2006, 06:51:08 AM »

I'm wondering if given the exact same drilling layout which will have more oil handling ability? How would they compare in length on the exact same lane surface? (e.g. medium-light) Any help is appreciated.

Edited on 11/12/2006 3:51 PM

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2006, 02:55:09 PM »

The Big Kahuna (IMHO); I have both and have found that the Kong is better for medium-light conditions, whereas the BK will handle higher volumes of oil even when polished.
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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2006, 05:33:40 PM »

I agree with Robb and will add that the BK is or can be more flippy while the Kong is more or an arcing type of ball. (BK is for medium to medium+ oil, while the Kong is for medium-light to MAYBE as much as medium, depending on "hand" and drilling.)

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Spoon · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2006, 06:01:46 PM »

I was trying to figure out how to drill the Kong up. I have the BK drilled pin under bridge 4x3 (thank you Charlest) and love its reaction. On a medium to medium-heavy condition, I like the length and the amount of flip the BK has - not too much or too little. I was hoping the Kong would have a similar reaction on a medium-light condition but didn't know if the length would be similar. Sounds like I might want to drill a bit of flip into it. Once again, suggestions?

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2006, 06:53:47 PM »

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I was trying to figure out how to drill the Kong up. I have the BK drilled pin under bridge 4x3 (thank you Charlest) and love its reaction. On a medium to medium-heavy condition, I like the length and the amount of flip the BK has - not too much or too little. I was hoping the Kong would have a similar reaction on a medium-light condition but didn't know if the length would be similar. Sounds like I might want to drill a bit of flip into it. Once again, suggestions?

As fasr as I have seen with mine -
IF you guess correctly and use the Kong on the correct amount of medium-light oil AND the BK on the correct amount of medium to medium+, AND,
if you use the stock surface on both, AND,
if the drill is close/similar,
then the length to the breakpoint, SHOULD, IN THEORY, be close to the same, but not identical. Large drill differences, changes ot either surface or inappropriate oil patterns will invalidate all assumptions, of course.
(The "+" in "medium+" implies slightly longer length but still medium amounts of oil, not approaching medium-heavy oil)

I phrased the above paragraph the way I did because I have both also drilled similarly: BK with pin directly under the ring finger, Kong, with pin in ring finger - 1/2" difference which in practicality is no difference we normal bowlers can tell. Both have CG in grip center. When the oil amounts AND lengths are proper, TRUE medium-light and TRUE medium to medium+, both have a similar breakpoint of 40 - 42' for me. I emphasize, FOR ME.

To make Kong or any ball more flippy, the normal procedure to place pin slightly higher OR to place the pin at the same position plus place the CG at 75 degrees instead of the 60 degrees that you have for your BK (which made it less flippy than a 75 degree, the most flippy angle).
NOTE: "more flippy" may still not mean flippy, just less arc-y. I am not sure how far you'd have to go to make the Kong as flippy as the BK. It may take something as simple as more side rotation at the release point. It may take using it on heavy than medium-light oil. It may take a highe rpin position but that would also add some length. It may not be possible, but I am sure it is.
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Spoon · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2006, 02:01:15 PM »

Charlest, your response is much appreciated and far better stated than my question. I realize that much hinges upon my guess of the lane condition and what is true for you may or may not be true for me. If I wanted to get the exact same reaction of the BK on lighter oil, I think I would just get another BK and alter the drilling or surface or both. I was hoping to imitate a reaction that seems to work very well for me as a safe place to start with a different ball and any variation may be better or worse. I have enough room to raise the pin 3/4 of an inch (as compared to the drilling on my BK) and still have it under the fingers. I'll swing the CG to 75 degrees and go from there.
I was taught that if a lane condition forces you out of your comfort zone, you expand your comfort zone - not get another ball. Having more than one ball is new to me and more fun. Thanks for the help.

BTW, from a previous thread - The Buzz at 2000 abralon has more oil handling ability than OOB . . . IMO.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2006, 05:15:58 PM »

SPoon,

There are so many possible interpretations of "comfort zone". If we were all Pete weber and able to play 6th arrow or 1st board, we wouldn't be here trying to help one another "figure it out".

Playing the transition on house shots or blends has the potential to be so tricky, that 2 of the same ball can be very useful. You either use the same drill and different surfaces or the same surface and different drills to allow you to play SLIGHT differences in the lane, including potential carrydown.

(One of these days, I full intend to take my own advice ....

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