Author Topic: need help choosing (Read 3989 times)

icewall · « **on:** January 13, 2008, 10:22:11 AM »

im looking to get rid of the stuff i currently have as ive just pieced it all
together bit by bit and some stuff either never gets used or i dread using

current line up:

hammer no mercy (hate it... over under since day one)

lane 1 evolution - pretty good ball but polish wears off very fast and while i like the ball it leaves me feeling like its missing something

lane 1 carbide plus - drilled rico a fun ball but it never comes out of the house

lane 1 super carbide bomb - great for oil but i cant seem to repeat shots. it might be me but either way i feel the ball flares a bit too much for my liking.

brunswick target plastic

(my favorite ball "benchmark ball" was my purple pearl fuze. LOVED that ball. shot 804 and 300 with it both in the same month. but sadly it has been drilled too many times and its cracking around the thumb.)

so i could use some help building an arsenal of lanemasters balls as my pro
shop does carry them and i like the idea of all symm. designs with no filler just coverstock.
not that i feel it really matters, they (all companies) all hit hard

I was thinking of getting the buzz for my THS as the house i bowl at is sometimes medium but 75% of the time its on the lighter side.

what i do know is i need something for heavy oil. as i bowl for fun in a 2 game league and they really glob on the oil heavy.

basically i need help building an arsenal to combat different houses that i might bowl at (nothing too serious just some leagues)

id say im around 250 - 300 rev rate depending on speed
speed when im comfortable is 16 - 17 (usually around 16.5mph)
axis of 50 degrees or more

any ideas.

(all balls i listed will be for sale too)

abrown · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2008, 06:25:43 PM »

try the sure strike from what ive seen its a very stong ball clean and strong saw a youth bowler throwing one and it was suprisingly strong on a fresh house shot

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2008, 06:49:17 PM »

While the Sure Strike and the XS Power are new balls and dynamite partners: medium-light to medium, and medium to medium-heavy, they are the new midrange price balls with filler. They do NOT lack hitting power. If they did, they wouldn't be Lanemasters balls.

If you want "no filler" and are just starting out with Lanemasters, I would STRONGLY suggest a used Buzz or World Class Reactive or Big-R-Bang or similar midange oil coverage ball (medium-light to medium oil) to, first, see if you like the Lanemasters type of ball, and, two, to see what type of drilling suits you. Many of their balls have higher RGs and lower Rg differentials and strong coverstocks. Your style may or may not "get along" with this type of ball. Don't invest a bunch of money til you're sure.

These are not cheap balls, and they can take some getting used to. So I suggest a used ball; so you don't invest too much money and you'll feel free to experiment with different drillings.

That said, the new basic "trinity" is the best place to start, for my money, because they all use the same core: Hornet (polished pearl), Buzz (polished pearl and Sting (polished particle; they call it "high sheen").
Hornet: light to medium-light oil
Buzz: medium-light to medium oil
Sting: medium to medium-heavy oil

Strangely enough, with the same drillings, I find that as I go from Hornet to Sting, the ball reaction gets flippier and flippier, while still very controllable.

For oil even heavier than the Sting can handle, You can use the Terminator (may need to be sanded to slightly roughed-up) or older balls like the World Class, Big Bang, and Yeah Baby.
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icewall · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2008, 07:47:16 PM »

alright well you say to look at the rg.

well my favorite ball of all time has the specs of: (brunswick ratings)

Coverstock

LR-G2 (Extra Length Reactive - Generation 2) Color: Purple Pearl Hardness: 77-79 Factory Finish: Rubbing and Finishing compound double buff Core Dynamics:

RG Max: 2.569 RG Min: 2.546 RG Diff: 0.023 RG Avg: 4.5 Performance:

Hook Potential: 90 Length: 145 BreakPoint Shape: 9

i think the hardness, rg, and low diff are the same as what most of lanemasters specs are.

i dont think my old ball could get any closer in rg to all the lanemasters balls.
plus i prefer symm. designs.

does that mean most likely ill line up good with lanemasters? or would i still need to be careful and try one first... i mean of course i shouldnt order like 4 balls at once but im trying to decide if lanemasters is the right move for me.

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2008, 07:55:53 PM »

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i dont think my old ball could get any closer in rg to all the lanemasters balls.
plus i prefer symm. designs.

does that mean most likely ill line up good with lanemasters? or would i still need to be careful and try one first... i mean of course i shouldnt order like 4 balls at once but im trying to decide if lanemasters is the right move for me.

Not necessarily. You can't judge a ball solely by its core specs or even the hardness of the cover.

My suggestion remains - try a used one first. If you're happy with it, then order the two most useful ones for your oil pattern/amount.
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icewall · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2008, 08:00:29 PM »

alright good to know.

i know you cant judge any ball just by specs especially just by the core.

i still want to give them a try though... eventually

Fish4Musky · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:53:34 AM »

I just got a SureStrike-love it. It reacts and rolls great and carries. So far I like it better on synthetic. I'm lefty so it's a little different. When I'm alone I watch for the carry down, move left and look for new dry. When I have to share (lefties don't like that) I move closer to the 1st arrow if it doesn't hook too much. On wood I sometimes have to go to a solid around the 2nd game. The conditons are usually medium to med-heavy.

icewall · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:07:37 PM »

i really would like to try lane masters but ALL the pro shops ive gone into look at me funny and tell me with the strangest face that lane masters doesnt work good in this area.

and then when i still ask more about them they give me no help on lane masters lineup and say if I really want they could order it... no one seems to carry them in NJ. (tried rockaway and union next level)

it makes me wonder why no one carries them (they dont sell well?) and how they actually perform.

I just really want to try them out for a few games.

im sick of the giant backends of most balls out today. (some look good like the gamebreaker but i still dont see much for medium light lanes without someone claiming stand left throw right mentality) sure it sells balls but what if it doesnt help you score???

icewall · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:12:27 PM »

i dont think id be so confused if i saw someone other then buddiesproshop member bill throwing them. seeing as hes a lefty and they claim to have heavier oil it gives me no clue how they would react on the lanes in my area.

ehhhhh! this reminds me of when i switched to lane #1... its always either they love the product or they hate them.

but it does seem that BJI says they make great stuff. and yes they did like the sure strike... a lot

btw... i did say that my pro shop carries them... but i must have just watched him drill up a lanemasters ball that was ordered cuz when i asked he told me that he didnt carry them and shook his head a lot saying no no no they have no r&d compared to the bigger companies

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JS · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2008, 04:59:10 PM »

Central Jersey Pro Shop is part of the Lane Masters pro shop program. They are located in Middlesex, NJ. Call Gary Barber and ask him what he has in stock. www.cjproshop.com

icewall · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2008, 07:18:06 PM »

called and they only had one ball i wanted and as was expected it was a bit pricey. but ive paid more for lane 1 balls before... never again as ive learned im scrwed if i dont like it.

they had the ap, terminator, hornet, conqueror. i believe it was 179.. +6 for grips... +6 for slug

now i just need to try out one of their balls to see how i like them.

I REALLY like the look of the hornet but not sure if its something I 'need' but more something i might buy later on for the fried lanes.

Im a big believer in the idea that you can throw just about anything reactive and be competitive. and i understand that oil absorbsion (sp?) (ive been drinking

) is one of the largest factors that make a ball 'hook more'.

but i also like that lanemasters uses symmetrical cores and particles instead of larger pores to soak oil in order to hook.

i dont think any company will make someone all of a sudden a better player. the player is what makes the ball hook. but by eliminating some of the over/under can help make the bowler see when its his fault and not blaiming the ball.

I just really want something different thats not complicated. I havent even tried them yet and im comfortable in saying they look like they make great equipment.

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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2008, 07:32:24 PM »

quote:
i really would like to try lane masters but ALL the pro shops ive gone into look at me funny and tell me with the strangest face that lane masters doesnt work good in this area.

and then when i still ask more about them they give me no help on lane masters lineup and say if I really want they could order it... no one seems to carry them in NJ. (tried rockaway and union next level)

it makes me wonder why no one carries them (they dont sell well?) and how they actually perform.

I just really want to try them out for a few games.

im sick of the giant backends of most balls out today. (some look good like the gamebreaker but i still dont see much for medium light lanes without someone claiming stand left throw right mentality) sure it sells balls but what if it doesnt help you score???

Didn't know you were in NJ.

Yes, most of NJ houses do not have enough oil for most Lanemasters balls except for those with higher ball speeds. This year even Carolier has light oil, which has shocked me. I'm using mostly Visionary stuff there myself.

You might need a Buzz or a Hornet for many places or even older balls like the Absolute Power. The World Class Reactive and the Big-R-Bang are also possibilites. Otherwise, gloss polishes or very fine grits like 4000 are needed on the stronger balls.

I've gotten most of mine from Internet places like Buddies, or BowlingBallMall.com and Ebay.
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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2008, 07:35:30 PM »

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btw... i did say that my pro shop carries them... but i must have just watched him drill up a lanemasters ball that was ordered cuz when i asked he told me that he didnt carry them and shook his head a lot saying no no no they have no r&d compared to the bigger companies

I have no idea what he meant by that. Neither, then, should Visionary, Lane#1 or MoRich, but Lanemasters balls and all those other small companies are doign just fine. Lanemasters had to delay some introductions just because the damand for their balls is so high. It seems as if your driller just wants to sell you the balls he has in stock.

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A_P_K · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2008, 07:41:30 PM »

If you're in the Rockaway area New Lodi Lanes pro shop has some, SS, XSP, and others but I couldn't see everything.

Also Metro Bowl in Paramus on RT4 has a decent selection, Sting, Buzz, Conquerer(yes at least one 16lb NIB in stock), Terminator, SS, XSP, WCPP just to name a few.
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icewall · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

no rockaway doesnt "stock" lanemasters.

im actually not near rockaway or middlesex. im in the middle. closer to jersey lanes, edison lanes, ehhhhh linden lanes. but i work up north so its not so bad if im already there.

charlest your right. no one seems to put out oil anymore. except hudson.

are you in nj as well clarlest?

my pro shop owner said he would take the bwp, gamebreaker... or even lane 1 vs any of the ;anemasters ball and perform better. i understand what he said.... but what if the gamebreaker and/or bwp s too much and leaves 4 pins or ringing 10's. I always say use whatever scores higher.

only problem i have with buying internet is my pro shop charges 50 bux for a full drill (slug/grips) so if i buy it for 152 it actaully costs 202!

most places seem to include drilling and a little markup (say 20 bux over internet) thats why i was trying to find one that had em in stock... but looks like i will have to find out what my proshop wants for an ordered one as they will probably include the drillng.

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