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no300tj

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Skid/Flip
« on: August 30, 2008, 01:03:52 AM »
Hey all, I have a question regarding the World Class particle. I have it and the reactive both drilled the same. Pin over bridge CG about an inch right of centerline of grip. 3.5 in pin to Cg distance. I know this is a length/strong backend type of drill. However I rarely see the reactive skid/flip. It usually wants to start early and arc most of the lane. The particle on the other hand will go straight as an arrow then make a quick, sharp change of direction on the same lane condition. Some nights I can go from the reactive to the particle as the lanes open up. Both balls are box surface. I love the reactive but can't seem to come to grips with what the particle is doing. Both balls handle roughly the same amount of oil, they just do it differently. Any ideas?
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charlest

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Re: Skid/Flip
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 09:47:09 AM »
1. No way that both handle the same amount of oil unless you've been using the WC for along, long time and it is oil saturated.

2. There's no info about your release/delivery in your profile. SO it's hard to factor that into the equation.

2B. That drill is a generic length with strong backend drill DEPENDING on your actual PAP and release specs.

3. Do any other balls work on this unspecified condition? If so, how are they drilled and have you changed their surface.

4. If the WC reactive is going straight and the WC is flipping, I suspect there's just too much oil. However, you must remember that house blended oil patterns can certainly disguise and confuse ball reactions. Often a wide variety of balls (like the polished WCR and the dull WC solid particle) can be used on the same pattern.

4. I've seen you post before but I don't remember your style and/or bowling capabilities. These 2 balls should be perfect complements, even drilled the same, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. NOrmally you should not be able to use both on the same oil pattern. I just drilled a WCR and had to use an early rolling drill to calm it down, as it's a ferociously skid/flip backend ball.

5. On the other hand, if you're happy, in general, with the WCR's performance, maybe there's just not enough oil for the WC. Its "flipping" reaction is therefore a mystery to me, without more information.

-> Have you refreshed the WC's surface recently?
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no300tj

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Re: Skid/Flip
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2008, 06:45:31 AM »
Charlest, thanks for the response. i have used these balls on several patterns with similar results. I stroke the ball with 14-15 speed. I bought the reactive first and found I really like it on house and the drier pba patterns. So when I saw the particle at the shop with almost identical specs I thought, same look more oil handling, and have since been completely baffled by the behavior of the particle. The reactive will flare in the oil with rings with space between them. The particle doesn't flare at all in the oil. The rings are on top of each other making a 1/2 inch wide band of oil around the ball. I do know my friend at the pro shop drilled a NS and didn't like it. I rolled it when it was new and didn't either. After he let everyone under the sun borrow the ball and it came back several months later, I rolled it again and the ball was great. So I don't know if there is something about the diamond covers that have to have games on them before they really start doing what they are supposed to, or what. All I know is I never expected a skid/flip motion out of it when all I get is smooth arc out of the reactive. Hope this helps, T.J.
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Re: Skid/Flip
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2008, 10:00:39 AM »
Actually it just confuses me more. No, really.
I had 2 WC and I just never found enough oil for either of them.

The almost solid band of oil means it's just not flaring. That says the drilling is off OR possibly the CG marker is way off, somethign I have never heard of with a Lanemasters ball.

Have you tried adjusting the coverstocks at all?
SOmetimes, that can make a big difference. Try first sanding it to 600, 800 or 1000 grit thoroughly and find a whole bunch of serious oil. Then apply a light coat of polish on top of that.

I am shocked that no one like the NS. these are all simple symmetric cores and basic drillings usually show these balls' power quite well. The NS is sort of between the WCR and the WC in oil, around medium to medium-heavy oil.
 
These are just suggestions. If something doesn't work out soon, I'd call Galen Gentry at Lanemasters and talk to him. Such behavior is very unusual for their balls, but no one is infallible. He might ask you to send it to him and replace it with any ball you choose, since it's been discontinued. They don't like unhappy customers any more than any one else does.

Good luck.

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