Author Topic: Tell me about your NS2 impressions (Read 4026 times)

dizzyfugu · « **on:** July 28, 2008, 01:19:32 AM »

Hello, first time that I post here for information. Well, the title says it all - I have the opportunity to get my hands on a NIB NS2 at a reasonable price. I never tried a LM ball before, but would like to, so I am not sure if I get along well with their design philosophy (I am a bit afraid of the higher RG of LM's cores).

Anyway, since the NS2 is a high load particle piece and was advertised for heavier conditions, I might give it a try with a strong, rolly layout and a lower pin distance (there are several balls in stock to chose from) as an addition or even replacement for my aging Fuze Eliminator (more details in my profile). The NS2 looks like a very strong piece, as far as I can judge LM equipment.

So, what's your take on the ball, its suitablility for oil? Any maybe someone can compare it with an Eliminator or other ball?

Any comments and input is highly appreciated! Thanks a lot in advance

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Edited on 7/28/2008 9:21 AM

Graaille · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2008, 09:55:45 AM »

In my opinion, the NS2 is a very good oil ball. Mine has a bit more backend than the Terminator, but then again -- that's how it's drilled to do.

OOB it'll come at 800 sheen (equivalent to P1500) but if you want it to really be an oiler, dropping it back to anywhere between P800 and P1200 with a slight touch of polish wouldn't be a bad idea. Around here I haven't seen the oil quantities that require the ball to be that rough, so it's an occasional ball for me -- but since I'm going to be hitting more of the pba exp leagues, I may pull it out of retirement.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:02:21 AM »

Thank you for the quick response!
Anyone else?
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scotts33 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:14:51 AM »

I've had 2 and kept the one I use for medium-heavy. I took mine OOB with Legends polish over so it has the sheen look underneath but the ploish gets it well thru the heads. Where I use it is on flatter conditions when the backends get a lil snaky....becasue of it's even roll/arc it won't over react or skid to much keeps the ball in the 1-3 very well. When BTM did it's review when it came out it got one of the best medium-heavy sport condition reviews ever that they have put out. I concur.

The NS2 would be much like your FMG depending on how you lay it out diz. I have both and they seem to shine on about the same type of condition. My FMG laid out about the same flares a lil more and is heavier rolling on good backends. Higher differential on the FMG than the NS2. Both roll/arc balls.

Ball under these two for me is a Ogre Pearl less diff. Roll/arc handles a bit of carry down.

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zone · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:15:49 AM »

i have one drilled pin under and alittle right of ring finger and CG kicked about 45 degress. great ball. i've had it dull and polished. works good both ways. very nice hitting ball. ball that can read early and still have a nice backend pop if you want it to. its worth it to get this one
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:23:09 AM »

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Hello, first time that I post here for information. Well, the title says it all - I have the opportunity to get my hands on a NIB NS2 at a reasonable price. I never tried a LM ball before, but would like to, so I am not sure if I get along well with their design philosophy (I am a bit afraid of the higher RG of LM's cores).

Dizzy,

Shame on you. (

) You know better than that. Their cores only balance their generally stornger coverstocks. Their core/cover combos are 100% foolproof but then neither are other companies'.

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Anyway, since the NS2 is a high load particle piece and was advertised for heavier conditions, I might give it a try with a strong, rolly layout and a lower pin distance (there are several balls in stock to chose from) as an addition or even replacement for my aging Fuze Eliminator (more details in my profile). The NS2 looks like a very strong piece, as far as I can judge LM equipment.
So, what's your take on the ball, its suitablility for oil? Any maybe someone can compare it with an Eliminator or other ball?

Any comments and input is highly appreciated! Thanks a lot in advance

My opinion, having tried 2 of them, one 15 and one 16 and my friend having a 15 that he uses regularly:

It was designed as a control ball for medium to medium-heavy oil.
Having only read what a Fuze Eliminator was and how it reacted, the NS2 should be a fairly good replacement for it, but withthe proviso that it probably handle a little heavier oil than the FE, in general, FOR THE AVERAGE BALL SPEED, AVERAGE REV BOWLER.

You most definitely do not need to put a "rolly" drilling on it as its basic reaction is just that a rolly, arc-y ball. I had to put the pin above the ring finger and stack the CG below, something I very rarely do, and it still remained an rolly, arc-y control ball UNTIL I sanded it to 4000 grit Abralon AND polished the living crap out of it. Then and only the was I able to use it on true medium oil and get a strong backend reaction out of it.

Right now, with that same drilling, and the ball left at 4000 grit Abralon, it it my current heavy oiler, which I can't find enough oil to use ....

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If you put a low pin drilling on it, with the pin 3" or less from the PAP, I'm afraid it will barely hook at all, UNLESS you have true heavy oil OR you are very speed dominant. This ball is one of Lanemasters higher flaring balls (not as high as the Black Pearls), but I still get a good 6" of flare with that 5" pin to PAP (for me). Between the flare potential and the heavy load of particles, a 3" pin-PAP or thereabouts, may just burn up in the midlane.

Under normal circumstances, even some not so normal, this has an arc-ing, even rolling type of reaction. If you want full strength form this ball, try a 4" pin to PAP at most, or a high pin with still a 4" pin to PAP distance. Also Try higher Abralon grits if the drilled ball is too early: 2000 or 4000 grit and no polish. You can always sand it lower.

FYI the stock "sheen" finish is roughly equivalent to about 1200 - 1500 grit US scale, last time I checked. So using a 600 (green) or 800 grit (grey) pad will make it earlier, if you need that. (But you knew all that already.)

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:30:03 AM »

Thank you all so far! This is great and sounds very promising, esp. if the ball fits "above" my FMG (I took it to 2.000 Abralon as a ball for medium to medium-oily conditions, the NS2 should find a place for true oily shots).
Also nice to hear that the ball got good comments on sport shots. I am really tempted to get one, and currently checking the pin distances and TWs available in the batch that mysteriosly appeared in a dark corner of a German pro shop

Basically I intend to get a 1-2" pin, put the pin at leverage or 4" under my ring finger and swing the CG out, kind of 4x3 drilling. This works very well on my Eliminator that I love, but it is the only oil ball right now and a heavy load particle ball like the NS2 would be a good addition, esp. if it leaves room for surface adjustments with a rougher surface.

So, if there are further comments and impressions on the NS2, you are welcome!

By the way - I have seen that the coverstock must be pretty soft, with a D-scale rating of 72-74, probably the legal minimum. Any issues about durability?
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:33:03 AM »

Ah, I am late with my post - thank you, Jeff, for your great input! This information is highly appreciated and makes juding the ball's potential easier for me, since I am not very familiar with the LM balls and how they compare to "normal" equipment.

Many, many thanks

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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:33:12 AM »

No issues on durability for me on any LM/L ball just like Visionary they last longer than any other cover.....IMO.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2008, 10:48:32 AM »

I also never heard anything negative about LM balls - I was just wondering about the coverstock's softness... I have seen only one NS2 in real life and action so far, but since it was in a low tracker's hand (in my traveling league last season), it did not tell me much about its potential. In fact, it did not move much - but I was never sure if it was the result of the bowler's style or release, or just the fact that it was used on too little oil. As a high load particle ball, I expect it to need some oil volume even at the sheen OOB finish. And with Jeff's "warning" not to apply a too strong setup as well as the other nice comments, the blurry picture becomes a little sharper.

Thank you all so far!
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scotts33 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2008, 11:00:59 AM »

For me and only me on the same lane condition my FMG moves more than my NS2. NS2 has more control built into it. That's what it was made for.....FMG was not IMO. YMMV.
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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2008, 12:40:59 PM »

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For me and only me on the same lane condition my FMG moves more than my NS2. NS2 has more control built into it. That's what it was made for.....FMG was not IMO. YMMV.
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Not surprising, Scott, with a heavy load of diamond particles vs a 400 grit solid reactive. That's partly, well, mostly why I lean towards a higher or longer pin-PAP distance than average for the NS2: to help conserve its energy a bit.
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2008, 12:55:23 PM »

I get pretty good backend from this ball for such a strong cover/core, maybe it is the pin up drilling and sheen finish. Needs at least medium oil to work without killing the core or cover strength.

Pretty good ball have kept it through 3 grip changes that says something to me, some balls I just let sit and rot not the NS2.

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2008, 02:50:03 PM »

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I get pretty good backend from this ball for such a strong cover/core, maybe it is the pin up drilling and sheen finish. Needs at least medium oil to work without killing the core or cover strength.

Pretty good ball have kept it through 3 grip changes that says something to me, some balls I just let sit and rot not the NS2.

Barry,

ALl the more surprising given your 50 deg of rotation and 12 degrees of tilt (from your profile, if that is still accurate for you).
Higher numbers in either of those would give more backend, of course.
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2008, 03:21:04 PM »

Depending on how I am releasing it I can track over my thumb on the 1 st flare ring to about 2 inches down. Closer to my thumb than fingers so I guess it would be inversion, I am expert at hand position changes.

My left knee is pretty blown out, I cannot get down at the line like proper bowling would allow me too. But since some grip changes my rev rate is up even more than the profile, probably 330-350 area now. So i can hook a ball plenty with speed changes and adding or deleting axis rotation.

I usually shoot my 7 pins off my strike line just using a total hand shake release, if serious I will use plastic but for regular league who cares if I miss one.

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I get pretty good backend from this ball for such a strong cover/core, maybe it is the pin up drilling and sheen finish. Needs at least medium oil to work without killing the core or cover strength.

Pretty good ball have kept it through 3 grip changes that says something to me, some balls I just let sit and rot not the NS2.

Barry,

ALl the more surprising given your 50 deg of rotation and 12 degrees of tilt (from your profile, if that is still accurate for you).
Higher numbers in either of those would give more backend, of course.
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