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charlest

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Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« on: May 02, 2008, 10:31:37 AM »
If you believe (I use this word advisedly) the BTM review of this ball (I usually do believe their analysis of balls), then how weak is this coverstock?

I ask because, as reviewed, the cover is finished with an 800 grit matte or dull surface. As things go in today's bowling world, this is an very rough coverstock finish (seeing as how Fury Pearls, Black Widows, Breaks, and Risings are finsihed with a 4000 grit finish).

Yet BTM rates this ball with a long length of 14 and a backend of "only" 14 AND and overall hook of, again, "only" 47. Torque is rated at a "calm" 6.0. These numbers describe an extremely mild ball, with an extremely mild coverstock.

What do you "believe"?
Inquiring minds want to know (really)?
Please, no jokes. This is not a joking matter. I am not spending $200 (ball + drilling) on a joke.

What have you seen using this ball?
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2008, 04:49:44 PM »
Jimmy,

That drilling would make a few balls more flippy and have more backend with your inverted track. (I throw that once in a while myself.)
Now I see why the ball is different from the BRB and the AP.

Re: Mo's dual angle.
I think many drillers tried this without realizing what they are doing. I believe you shoudl take a drill that's worked for you on several balls and reverse engineer it to see what those angles and Pin-PAP distance are. Then try it on your new ball. It sounds like your driller just picked out 2 angles at random.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2008, 09:06:56 PM »
I actually found the state tournament shot identical to my fresh league shot.  It'd been pretty oily all season.  Good stuff.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2008, 09:23:16 PM »
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I actually found the state tournament shot identical to my fresh league shot.  It'd been pretty oily all season.  Good stuff.


Maybe becayse you bowl first shift on Mondays?
I subbed Wednesday 9 PM and it seemed slightly oilier.
But mostly I went by what OJ said, that Neil had changed the shot so that there'd be more oil for the 4 PM squad on Saturdays and Sundays during the States tournament. He did this because there was no re-oiling from 9 AM on, through the whole day. As a result, OJ said he was using the Ultra Zone instead of his high gloss polished No Mercy and he had to play further outside.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2008, 11:22:51 AM »
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I don't think the Rebellion is weak at all. In fact, for me, it snaps harder on the backend than the Terminator does. The backend is similar to the Black pearl, but it covers more boards overall.
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Scott,

How is yours drilled?
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2008, 12:24:17 PM »
Thanks for the comments Charlest.  Dead on with the driller assesment.  New driller for me (former proshop closed, taking a position with Ebonite).  New guy wanted to try out the morich techique and I think it was his first attempt.  Like the ball reaction, just a lot longer and stronger than I expected.  If I pickup the one from my teammate, I'll have that one drilled closer to my masterpiece layout.  Then again, he has a WCPP he's not real fond of. Hmmmm
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2008, 12:49:56 PM »
This evaluation is what I thought the ball would do, now mixed feelings from a few sources here with the ball. Love the Terminator have one pin up and one pin down, like the pin up ball better so i was thinking rebellion pin up with be a perfect fit.

I have control balls a plenty like my Heist, ogre solid and dulled down Kinetic which becomes great at 1k was erractic at box polished.


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I don't think the Rebellion is weak at all. In fact, for me, it snaps harder on the backend than the Terminator does. The backend is similar to the Black pearl, but it covers more boards overall.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2008, 12:36:00 AM »
Jeff,
I just seen your post and I have one drilled stacked as well, with the pin right and just above my ring finger (1 o'clock). I threw it oob and the ball had a strong arc move at the break point, but it was hard to get down the lane. I have a Buzz drilled with the pin similar and if the TR is too strong then I can play the Buzz. I did apply some Bean's and I believe I like the box finish better, strong arc. A few of the guys made a comment about how hard the ball hit and the unique L/LM sound. I hope this helps, Bruce
Add-on info: The reaction of the TR is hard to describe and it reminds me more of my Big Bang more than the Terminator. The move on the backend is very much like the Big Bang only slightly tamer.
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Re: Terminator Rebellion: how weak is this ball?
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2008, 06:14:25 AM »
Thanks, Batbowler!

Whoa! Scott, yes, you should have added that. That makes a huge difference. No wonder it flips harder than the Terminator, but I understand why you did it. Thanks.
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