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les_ly

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The Buzz
« on: December 09, 2007, 01:45:19 PM »
Is it a good flippy snap angular ball? or it's or arced? I am looking for a good flip/snap ball by lanemaster on medium-dry.
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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007, 10:09:17 PM »
The Buzz is ... sort of skid/flip, in general.

The Big-R-Bang is major Skid/flip as is the Sure Strike, on medium-light to almost medium oil. In fact, if you don't hit a good deal of dry with both of them, neither will flip. They are as skid/flippy as Lanemasters balls get. The SS is less expensive so it may be a better "toy" to play with, initially.
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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2007, 10:57:14 PM »
i wouldnt consider either of my buzzs skid/flip at all.
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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 12:07:06 PM »
mine with pin over bridge and Cg in palm, is skid with strong arc
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CHawk15

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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 12:39:17 PM »
I don't think the Buzz is very skid/snappy OOB.  The low flare potential of the Buzz (3-4")prevents it from being too skid/flippy unless you have a ton of hand.  I drilled the Buzz with a 6" pin to PAP drill and it's longer and more of an arc.  I was a little disappointed that it's not stronger off the spot and it rolls a little earlier than I expected.  I think it's because of the OOB Surface ( 800 grit w/ polish ??)  I'm thinking of trying it with 2000 abralon w/ Polish to see if it I can get a little more off the spot.

Based on the numbers, I would expect the Sure Strike to be a little more skid/flippy.  Plus it's cheaper, which is always a bonus.
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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 04:49:22 PM »
CHawk, i have my Buzz at 2000 w/polish and I like it alot at this surface. Its OOB surface was to strong for me, and wanted to roll to early for my Liking, and me being a high tracker with pretty good revs, just wasn't working for me.
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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 09:33:16 PM »
Buzz can be either depending on lane condition bowled on, your technique and how it's laid out/ball surface.  I would put it a more skid/snap group of balls than arc.  Vis. Pearl Ogre is much more arcy than Buzz for example.  Both what I term medium balls to light-medium.

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CHawk15

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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 10:47:28 PM »
LaneHammer, that's good to know because my Buzz was layed out with a 6" pin to PAP drill for dryer lanes, but in the OOB condition it wants to roll earlier than I want and as a result, has nothing left for the backend.   I'm going to make the surface adjustment and see if I get the ball reaction I'm looking for with this ball.
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charlest

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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2007, 05:58:14 AM »
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LaneHammer, that's good to know because my Buzz was layed out with a 6" pin to PAP drill for dryer lanes, but in the OOB condition it wants to roll earlier than I want and as a result, has nothing left for the backend.   I'm going to make the surface adjustment and see if I get the ball reaction I'm looking for with this ball.


CHawk15,

Do you often use a 6" pin to PAP drill, on low differential balls?
I have found that for me they often make balls want to arc and roll more than skid. The Buzz's differential is relatively small (.031") to start with. Placing the pin that far away will reduce the differential to very little and thus, the flare, even with your 400 rpm rate, which is pretty high on average.

I think that will make the ball be for relatively fairly light oil lanes. It will also reduce the backend depending on how much oil you using it on. Not surprised that it had very little left for the backend.

With a more normal drill, maybe evne a 4.5" -5" pin, you will get more backend and be able to use it on medium-light to medium oil, becasue of your rev rate.

(With 20/20 hindsight) Maybe the Hornet would have been a better choice for drier lanes because of your rev rate.

I hope the surface changes helps you get a better reaction. Good luck.
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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2007, 09:50:50 AM »
Charlest,

I should've realized that the low differential ( = lower flare) would make this ball want to roll sooner.  I have a T-Struck pearl that's a little too over/under on the higher friction surfaces around here (Reactor Cover), so I was looking at the Buzz with the same drill, I just forgot that the TStruck Pearl has a much higher differential.  In hindsight, I should've used a 4-4.5" pin to PAP with the "pseudo MB" underneath the thumb, just like you said.   Choosing that layout on the ball was probably a mistake unless you're Wes Malott, Tommy Jones or Robert Smith.  I'll try the surface adjustment, but I'm only expecting a marginal improvement in which case, it'll become a ball I use on high friction surfaces (old beat up synthetics and wood lanes).  

I actually own a Hornet, but I drilled it to play out on drier lanes when playing in doesn't look good.  

This was a learning experience and by no means sours my opinion on L/LM equipment.  I won't be afraid to use more conventional / stronger drill on them in the future.  I may buy a second Buzz and drill it like I mentioned above to see if my thought process is right.

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charlest

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Re: The Buzz
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2007, 11:18:06 AM »
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Charlest,

I should've realized that the low differential ( = lower flare) would make this ball want to roll sooner.  I have a T-Struck pearl that's a little too over/under on the higher friction surfaces around here (Reactor Cover), so I was looking at the Buzz with the same drill, I just forgot that the TStruck Pearl has a much higher differential.  In hindsight, I should've used a 4-4.5" pin to PAP with the "pseudo MB" underneath the thumb, just like you said.   Choosing that layout on the ball was probably a mistake unless you're Wes Malott, Tommy Jones or Robert Smith.  


Unless I misunderstood what you're saying above, I think I mau have mislead you.

The low Diff on the Buzz's core allows it, with a normal drill, to retain a lot of energy for further down the lane. It allows a ball to use its coverstock's strength to "snap" more than if the core had a higher differential. A ball with a higher differential flares earlier and more allowing a more controlled "burn" of its energy AND allows it to handle more oil.

I meant your 6" pin reduces that flare potential even further and the pin/CG/pseudo-MB positioning produces an  arcing controlled ball reaction which is very suitable for dry lanes BECASUE dry lanes normally provides their own backends. SO you do want to reduce a ball's backend capability. The Buzz with a normal drill and used on medium oil can have a considerable backend, especially for someone with your rev rate.

I apologize for the confusion.

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I'll try the surface adjustment, but I'm only expecting a marginal improvement in which case, it'll become a ball I use on high friction surfaces (old beat up synthetics and wood lanes).  


Yes. However, a 2000 sanding (stock is 800 grit) plus polishing SHOULD give you more length and at least a small increase in backend. But a 6" pin-PAP makes for a really weak Buzz.

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I actually own a Hornet, but I drilled it to play out on drier lanes when playing in doesn't look good.  


Sounds reasonable. With it playing inside and if that Buzz keeps its low/small backend, you can use the Buzz for dry shots that allow you to play more down and in - big advantage!

My own Hornet has pin in ring finger and CG on the negative side; so my lower rev rate, ~250-300 rpm, allows me to use this when the lanes provide a lot of backend. It's about a 4.5 x 5.5 drill for me and it clears some fairly dry heads like no body's business.

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This was a learning experience and by no means sours my opinion on L/LM equipment.  I won't be afraid to use more conventional / stronger drill on them in the future.  I may buy a second Buzz and drill it like I mentioned above to see if my thought process is right.

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Watch their core Rg differential numbers. When their low, like the Hornet, Buzz, Sting, WCR etc, I'd suggest a pin-PAP or no more than 5". Go up or down and you see fit. Most will have largish backends partly because of that low Diff and partly because of their strong-ish coverstocks. (Sometimes I wish they were weaker, I really do.)
 
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