Author Topic: The Terminator (Read 3094 times)

golfnutFL · « **on:** August 28, 2006, 01:50:45 AM »

Looking through all of L/LM info it appears that they think that this ball has the most hook potential and handles more oil than any of their other balls. BTM rated both the BB and the WC as more oilers than this one. I don't have a BB but I do have a WC and I'm going to have to side with BTM on this one.

I've thrown them both (the Terminator and the WC) enough games and on enough different conditions now to make this determination. On a med-heavy shot I've got to slow my speed down to give the Terminator a chance on the backend, I don't have to do that with my WC at all. On a medium shot the Terminator has a very strong reaction but I don't see that it has enough backend for heavier, longer patterns.

Of the 4 L/LM balls that I currently own I would rate them this way (most to least) for their ability to handle oil:

WC
Terminator
WCR
Masterpiece

I love the hit and carry of L/LM stuff. I just think that they are slightly off with their assessment of the Terminator's ability to handle oil.
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2006, 10:19:15 AM »

Don't forget that the Termonator is polished. This reduces its ability to handle oil.

Let me draw an analogy to maybe help us all get a better fix on the potential of the Terminator.

The Masterpiece is a polished resin; the NS is a "sheen"-finished, solid particle. Of course, the stock NS handles more oil by a factor of at least one than the stock Masterpiece. Yet when I sanded both balls, drilled identically, to 2000 grit, the MP was earlier with more overall hook than the NS. The margin wasn't huge but it was easily noticeable.

Of course, the only thing that tells me is that the resin base of the MP is stronger than the NS.

(NOTE: although the coverstock base of the new Black Pearl is the Masterpiece's Traction coverstock, Legends seems to have chosen the NS/NS2 core to be used inside the Black Pearl. This will add a degree of arc or rolliness to the ball's reaction, rather than the more of a snapping motion.reaction of the Masterpiece.)
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golfnutFL · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2006, 10:49:42 AM »

charlest,
I don't disagree with your analogy at all. However, L/LM marketing this ball as their best ball to handle heavy oil is, imo, misleading. If it is the best with more surface than sell it that way. But if I have to alter the surface to realize its potential then the marketing for OOB is inaccurate.

Don't get me wrong, I like the ball. It's taken me a while to get a read on it because it is not what I was led to believe it was (Don't be fooled by the Terminators appearance. It has a unique ability of handling heavier volumes of oil that are uncharacteristic of its polished finish.) Maybe others (those with more hand then me perhaps) will think this their best oiler. I don't.
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Edited on 8/28/2006 10:44 AM

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2006, 11:08:02 AM »

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charlest,
I don't disagree with your analogy at all. However, L/LM marketing this ball as their best ball to handle heavy oil is, imo, misleading. If it is the best with more surface than sell it that way. But if I have to alter the surface to realize its potential then the marketing for OOB is inaccurate.

Agree, of course.

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Don't get me wrong, I like the ball. It's taken me a while to get a read on it because it is not what I was led to believe it was (Don't be fooled by the Terminators appearance. It has a unique ability of handling heavier volumes of oil that are uncharacteristic of its polished finish.) Maybe others (those with more hand then me perhaps) will think this their best oiler. I don't.
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Out of the box, the World Class, Yeah Baby! and possibly the Big Bang are the balls to try to handle oil, without a doubt.

But even Brunswick changed their chart numbers for the Smoking and Scorching Infernos based on customer input. Let's pass this info on to Lanemasters.
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truexmiracle · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2006, 11:35:13 AM »

That's interesting input on the Terminator because I was going to add it to my arsenal to use for Heavy oil.

How much should i sand it down to for the heavy oil reaction? And once i sand it down can i polish it back to have that glossy look but still retain the hook that i've sanded it to?

charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2006, 12:01:11 PM »

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How much should i sand it down to for the heavy oil reaction? And once i sand it down can i polish it back to have that glossy look but still retain the hook that i've sanded it to?

Since no one's done it yet (or admitted to doing it), why don't you try some experiments and tell us.

Suggestions:
1. Sand to 1000 or 1500 grit. try it. If those are too early, then try 2000 or 4000 grit.
2. Sand to 600 or 800 or 1000 grit and then apply a gritless polish like Brunswick's High Gloss Polish or Track's Magic SHine. They'll keep whatever grit you sanded to under the polish.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2006, 02:12:10 PM »

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2. Sand to 600 or 800 or 1000 grit and then apply a gritless polish like Brunswick's High Gloss Polish

I don't mean to hi-jack the topic, but I want to ask about the Brunswick High Gloss Polish. I have some but haven't used it yet. Since I am still tinkering with the cover on my WC Reactive, I have given some thought to trying it in place of the Legends polish that came with the ball. Is there any pros and cons to each one other than the Legends needs to be applied lightly and it still get a high gloss shine?

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Laybzz74 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2006, 06:55:37 PM »

Actually, I HAVE admitted it before, I believe ; I currently have mine at 2000 abralon and then reapplyed their Factory Finish polish ... for me, it smoothed the overall reaction out a bit, made it a bit more predictable, and didn't lose much, if any, any back end strength.
Oh ... FYI, it's stronger at the breakpoint than my 2nd WC; those balls and the layouts are below (from my profile):

- Terminator: 3oz TW, 3 1/4" pin, 3 1/2 x 3 1/4 layout,
2000 abralon & polished
- World
Class #2: 4 1/4 oz TW, 3 7/8" pin above ring, cg stacked, OOB(Sheen)

Bear in mind that they have different TWs and pin lengths, so you have to take that into consideration also.

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2006, 07:00:46 PM »

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Actually, I HAVE admitted it before, I believe ; I currently have mine at 2000 abralon and then reapplyed their Factory Finish polish ...
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Whose Factory Finish Polish? Legends?
or Brunswick's that Brick was referring to?
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Laybzz74 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2006, 07:02:14 PM »

Legends FF polish ... sorry, I should have clarified that point.
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Hand of God · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:01:54 AM »

OOB my Terminator didn't really appear polished.. it was like a weak ruff buff over 800 grit..

On heavy oil, it rolled a ton, setting up fine.

It is definitly their STRONGEST hooking ball and can handle the most oil out of all of there balls period.

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Balls for this winter season:

Terminator - Stacked - Heavy oil
Big Bang - Stacked - Medium to Heavy oil
Buzz - 1:30 Label - Medium to light
XXXL - Spare Ball - (Ordered)

robospare · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:18:14 AM »

My Terminator hooks more than my Big Bang, Masterpiece, or Kong. It rolls and sets up like a low RG ball and does not lope down the lane before it makes it move like the others. When the carry down comes it slices through without any over / under. This is truley the L/L ball I have been waiting for.

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:45:29 AM »

Mine at 2000 abralon and polished is a BEAST !!!
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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

truexmiracle · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2006, 10:17:52 AM »

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Actually, I HAVE admitted it before, I believe ; I currently have mine at 2000 abralon and then reapplyed their Factory Finish polish ... for me, it smoothed the overall reaction out a bit, made it a bit more predictable, and didn't lose much, if any, any back end strength.
Oh ... FYI, it's stronger at the breakpoint than my 2nd WC; those balls and the layouts are below (from my profile):

- Terminator: 3oz TW, 3 1/4" pin, 3 1/2 x 3 1/4 layout,
2000 abralon & polished
- World
Class #2: 4 1/4 oz TW, 3 7/8" pin above ring, cg stacked, OOB(Sheen)

Bear in mind that they have different TWs and pin lengths, so you have to take that into consideration also.

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Man, I LOVE this game; and I love it even more now that I'm using LEGENDS/LaneMasters equipment !!!
"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

Robb in O'Fallon, IL 62269 (near Scott AFB)
LAYBZZ74@AOL.COM (Email and PayPal addy)

Hey Robb,

So you're basically saying htis is a good ball for a bowler like myself who lieks it to go long and have a late hook?

golfnutFL · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2006, 01:28:31 PM »

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It is definitly their STRONGEST hooking ball and can handle the most oil out of all of there balls period.

I disagree. OOB my World Class handles HEAVY oil, OOB Terminator handles med to med heavy at best. Is much too long for me on a true heavy pattern.

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