Author Topic: My first LM/L ball, help please... (Read 1934 times)

WSUstroker · « **on:** August 12, 2006, 02:17:55 AM »

Ok guys, curiousity is definately getting the best of me right now and I have the means to do it now (Thanks USBC!) so I would like to pick up my first Lanemasters/Legends ball. I'm looking for a ball to cover the medium/heavy-heavy conditions, something to do what my Delta 1 failed to do. I want a ball to give me a strong midlane read and a hard, but controlled move at the break. As for my stats, ball speed is around 16 mph off my hand, PAP is 5 over 1/4 up, I put around 300-350rpm on the ball. I am not sure of my axis tilt or rotation.

I've looked through both Lanemasters and Legends website, and notice they have several balls to cover the medium/heavy-heavier condtions and I'm having trouble deciding which ball would be best. It appears the Terminator, Big Bang, World Class, and Yeah Baby! all cover these condtions. I really like what I've heard about the World Class. What do you guys think or suggest?
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Dan Chambers
www.absolutebowling.com

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2006, 10:26:27 AM »

Dan,
Four good choices there, but mine fav would be the WC (I have two - my stats and layouts are in my profile).
Since this would be your first "L/L" ball, I'd STRONGLY suggest a chat with Galen at Legends so that you get a good match up on a layout for you.

galen@lanemasters.com or call 1-888-526-3645 and ask for him (leave a voice mail if he's not there).

BTW, please tell him that Robb Laber referred you, OK

Thanx ... and good luck !!!

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"Master the Lanes with Legendary hitting power" !!!

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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2006, 02:41:22 PM »

quote:
Ok guys, curiousity is definately getting the best of me right now and I have the means to do it now (Thanks USBC!) so I would like to pick up my first Lanemasters/Legends ball. I'm looking for a ball to cover the medium/heavy-heavy conditions, something to do what my Delta 1 failed to do. I want a ball to give me a strong midlane read and a hard, but controlled move at the break.
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Dan Chambers
www.absolutebowling.com

I'd rather not suggest anything until I learned why and how your Delta1 did not react to give you what you needed and how was it drilled, given you know some specs but not tilt and rotation which are also essential pieces of data. (Your ball speed is slightly slow given your revs.)

How did the Delta1 react on medium-heavy to heavy oil? The Delta1 in stock surface is a darned strong ball!
(These are not usual house oil patterns. Are you sure about these amounts/patterns??)

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Edited on 8/12/2006 2:36 PM

Edited on 8/12/2006 7:10 PM

WSUstroker · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2006, 02:59:44 PM »

CharlesT, the reason I'm wanting to bail on the Delta 1 is because it simply does not react the same 2 times in a row for me. I've tried it on many different patterns: house shots, PBA, and sport patterns and cannot get a decent read on it. Even on a simple house shot, one day it will look great, and others it will be garbage. The problem is it acts like garbage more times than not. On medium/heavy-heavy patterns, the ball tends to skate 50 feet or so and makes a half-hearted attempt to hook.

I know it is not rolling out because I can slow my ball speed down and it will hook like I feel it should. I clean the ball after every set and hit it lightly with a grey scotchbrite to keep the surface dull.

-On Edit- There is a pic of the layout on the Delta 1 in my profile, along with the rest of my equipment.
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Dan Chambers
www.absolutebowling.com

Edited on 8/12/2006 2:55 PM

Joe Jr · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2006, 03:08:51 PM »

I'm liking my only current LM ball right now, Big Kahuna. Revs up strong in the mids and is strong and smooth on the back. Don't have but a few games on it though, I'll get some more practice in this week and maybe give a little write up.

Drillings in profile.
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- Joe
Formerly Richard Cranium

www.Brunswickbowling.com
www.Brunswickinsiders.com

Edited on 7/21/2005 1:21 PM

charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2006, 07:33:06 PM »

quote:
CharlesT, the reason I'm wanting to bail on the Delta 1 is because it simply does not react the same 2 times in a row for me. I've tried it on many different patterns: house shots, PBA, and sport patterns and cannot get a decent read on it. Even on a simple house shot, one day it will look great, and others it will be garbage. The problem is it acts like garbage more times than not. On medium/heavy-heavy patterns, the ball tends to skate 50 feet or so and makes a half-hearted attempt to hook.

I know it is not rolling out because I can slow my ball speed down and it will hook like I feel it should. I clean the ball after every set and hit it lightly with a grey scotchbrite to keep the surface dull.

-On Edit- There is a pic of the layout on the Delta 1 in my profile, along with the rest of my equipment.
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Dan Chambers
www.absolutebowling.com

Looked at the picture. To my mind, that drill could be problematical, based on what you say your PAP is. If your PAP is accurate, that drill should be in the maximum flare and reaction range. However, mass bias balls can be very tricky to drill properly PLUS you must or ought to have a relatively consistent release to take full advantage of them.

The Delta1 is not for heavy oil but for a person whose release specs are like yours, it should have no problems with true medium-heavy oil.

I can't say what's right or wrong with the ball or your release or your use of this ball; I can only make the guesses I already did above.

Since LM/L balls are all symmetric, they are a little bit more amenable to release inconsistencies and to change in release and ball speeds. THAT, however, does not mean they'll work all the time for every release you try with it.

The World Class, the Big Bang, and the Yeah Baby! (and possibly the AP2, but i havenot experience with that ball) all fall into the same oil handling ability range, ROUGHLY SPEAKING, as the Delta1. They have a less flippy nature than the Delta1, which I saw had the potential to make an extremely hard turn at the breakpoint.

That said, I cannot guarantee that they will handle TRUE heavy oil for you. They have the potential to do that. I believe if you changed the surface to be rougher than the stock surface (I think all 3 above have the same stock "Sheen" finish.) they could handle true heavy for you. Where they transition from being able to handle medium-heavy to handling true heavy, I cannot say. The World Class being slightly earlier than the Big Bang, and the Yeah Baby! having much more flare than the other two, are both very safe choices in my mind.

Due to your ball speed and rev rate, I would normally suggest a 4x4 or a 4x3, with a pin height roughly around bidge level, BUT, and this is a big "BUT", that would only be a starting point. I have no qualms about experimenting, but I'mnot sure you do.

Unless someone else has more specific ideas, I'd strongly suggest calling Galen at the home office for a more specific drill and possible ball choice.

FOr whatever it's worth, my release and ball speed are not that far from yours (my rev rate is slightly less) and the Wc and the YB easily handle true medium heavy for me. I haven't cemented down my feelings about the WC, because my drill, pin below the ring finger and CG stacked below is so darn early. I have yet to find true heavy oil with which to test these two balls.

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2006, 07:36:24 PM »

quote:
I'm liking my only current LM ball right now, Big Kahuna. Revs up strong in the mids and is strong and smooth on the back. Don't have but a few games on it though, I'll get some more practice in this week and maybe give a little write up.

Drillings in profile.
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- Joe
Formerly Richard Cranium

www.Brunswickbowling.com
www.Brunswickinsiders.com

Joe,

Don't forget your rev rate is SOOOO far above Dan's and mine that you can use weaker balls where we have to go to stronger, earlier ones for the same oil pattern.

While I love my Big Kahuna also, for me, and probably for Dan, it would be for medium to medium-heavy oil. The WC and YB are the next step up for us.

FYI I think the BK is being discontinued. Better stock up on another one if you really like it. I've been considering that myself.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

WSUstroker · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2006, 08:55:35 PM »

CharlesT, thanks for the insight. I'm as stumped on the Delta as you are, as I know several people on here have had great success with the ball. The ball was layed out by someone who should know a thing or two about them, Del Warren. Maybe it is drilled too strong for my style, I don't really know. I do know I've tried it on a variety of condtions that I felt suited the ball well, and the majority of time it has let me down.
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Dan Chambers
www.absolutebowling.com

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