Author Topic: Would like some info/input on the Sure Strike and the Counter Srike (Read 1370 times)

Juggernaut · « **on:** May 18, 2008, 01:35:31 PM »

Been using a lot of different stuff from several other companies, but have been wanting to try some of these balls. These two look like they would be a good place to start.

Right now, I am throwing an ebonite gamebreaker, a polished hammer pain, and a visionary blue/green centaur.

Really wondering how the Sure Strike and the Counter Strike would match up against the polished pain and the gamebreaker. The B/G centaur is going to stay as my dry lane ball, so looking at two other balls to go above it.

I was thinking I might be able to replace the gamebreaker with the counter strike and the pain with the sure strike.

Any thoughts?
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2008, 09:53:04 PM »

Some thoughts (not necessarily the bottom line):

- Isn't the Pain a solid resin that normally comes with a stock 2000 grit matte finish for medium-heavy to heavy oil?

If so, under normal conditions, the Sure Strike, which is a polished pearl, wouldn't compare to it at all. One problem is just how polished the Pain is is an unknown, and, two, a polished solid will almost always have much more control in its breakpoint than a polished pearl. So comparisons may be very difficult, to say the least.

- The SS is fairly flippy, even for a pearl, so much so, that, even though it handles medium oil, it goes so long, most people use it for less than medium oil. A friend's was so flippy that he redrilled it with a Rico drilling, which made it a much, MUCH better ball for him.)

- I've only seen the Counter strike a couple of times so take this with a grain of salt: compared to the Gamebreaker, I would suggest that the CS, with the same drill, would be more of a control ball, with less backend compared to the GB. ALso the CS is a 1000 sheen finished, particle pearl, while the GB is a 2000 grit, matte finished, solid resin (with a much lower RG). Might be hard to compare, but more similarities than the SS and the Pain.

- I wonder if something like a World Class Particle pearl (hard to gauge just how strong a polished Pain might be) and a sanded XS Power might better compare to a polished Pain and a Gamebreaker??
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2008, 10:03:08 PM »

quote:
Some thoughts (not necessarily the bottom line):

- Isn't the Pain a solid resin that normally comes with a stock 2000 grit matte finish for medium-heavy to heavy oil?

If so, under normal conditions, the Sure Strike, which is a polished pearl, wouldn't compare to it at all. One problem is just how polished the Pain is is an unknown, and, two, a polished solid will almost always have much more control in its breakpoint than a polished pearl. So comparisons may be very difficult, to say the least.

- The SS is fairly flippy, even for a pearl, so much so, that, even though it handles medium oil, it goes so long, most people use it for less than medium oil. A friend's was so flippy that he redrilled it with a Rico drilling, which made it a much, MUCH better ball for him.)

- I've only seen the Counter strike a couple of times so take this with a grain of salt: compared to the Gamebreaker, I would suggest that the CS, with the same drill, would be more of a control ball, with less backend compared to the GB. ALso the CS is a 1000 sheen finished, particle pearl, while the GB is a 2000 grit, matte finished, solid resin (with a much lower RG). Might be hard to compare, but more similarities than the SS and the Pain.

- I wonder if something like a World Class Particle pearl (hard to gauge just how strong a polished Pain might be) and a sanded XS Power might better compare to a polished Pain and a Gamebreaker??
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So,
What you're saying is that the CS is weaker than an OOB gamebreaker and the SS is DEFINITELY weaker than a polished pain, correct?

That might be alright, because I don't think I'll be getting rid of these anytime soon, unless something comes along that DOES replace them.

If I understand what you have just told me, it would go something like this:
1. Gamebreaker
2. CS
3. polished pain
4. SS
5. B/G centaur
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John D Davis · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2008, 10:06:32 PM »

The Sure Strike is so strange that on the driest conditions, it could be to much of a sharp immediate hook off the dry. A weaker drill such as the Rico as stated above would be a very wise move if you have your mind set on this ball. Its just simply a hit or miss type look to some people. John

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2008, 10:41:22 PM »

quote:
So,
What you're saying is that the CS is weaker than an OOB gamebreaker and the SS is DEFINITELY weaker than a polished pain, correct?

The SS is probably weaker than a polsihed Pain.
The CS is NOT weaker than a GB in that it can probably handle a similar amount of oil, but it won't have as much backend, which is the CONTROL part.

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That might be alright, because I don't think I'll be getting rid of these anytime soon, unless something comes along that DOES replace them.

If I understand what you have just told me, it would go something like this:
1. Gamebreaker
2. CS
3. polished pain
4. SS
5. B/G centaur
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Maybe more

1A. Gamebreaker
1B. CS
2. polished pain
3. SS
4. B/G centaur

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Juggernaut · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2008, 11:06:17 PM »

quote:

1A. Gamebreaker
1B. CS
2. polished pain
3. SS
4. B/G centaur

I could go for that. Might drill the SS with a shorter pin to pap, say 2 x 4, to help even out some of the over/under of the SS and make it more even rolling.
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Foppe · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2008, 06:00:03 AM »

I can only comment for the SS here, but let me say: it's a ball that I absolutely love.
We have 2 main patterns in our alley:
1) Somewhat modified THS,38 ft, med-med heavy
2) 38 ft med-light THS

I have mine drilled Stacked Leverage and it absolutely kills the 2nd pattern.
But from the moment the heads start to dry up, I will get some O/U and need to move deeper or make a ball switch.

On fresh: sure it is Skid/Flippy but still very good to control.

For the med, to med-heavy pattern: I can use it, but I need to play the outside & straight up the boards (8 board or further left,since I'm a lefty

), like Charlest said: it goes so long that it doens't handle medium perfect (entry angle to the pocket not as it should be). It can and will still handle & score on medium oil, but you (at least I) won't be able to move in deep, since this ball on a flooded middle wil skid to much.

Edited on 5/19/2008 6:02 AM

Author Topic: Would like some info/input on the Sure Strike and the Counter Srike (Read 1370 times)

Juggernaut

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charlest

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Juggernaut

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