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Foppe

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Black Diamond vs other brands
« on: October 20, 2009, 09:16:36 PM »
Hey guys,

I used to throw some LM/Legend equipment lasy year, but after updating my arsenal & going up in weight, that has gone.
I got 1 more slot in my arsenal and I'm thinking about squeezing a Legend in.

Ball that has taken my interest is the Black Diamond.
Now I already have a rotogrip Rogue Cell and a storm Virtual Gravity and I fear overlap with the Black Diamond, or is the Diamond stonger than both?

 

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Re: Black Diamond vs other brands
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2009, 11:25:17 PM »
Foppe,

My two cents. I see a lot of VGs and several Dynamic Powers in the Phoenix area and am of the opinion these are similar in reaction. No one I know that roll either of these two is disappointed. Two of my teammates roll Dynamic Powers as their first ball out of the bag and both see excellent reaction and carry on medium through heavy conditions.

I have a Black Diamond with close to 90 games on it. I won a scratch tournament with it shortly after picking it up and had at least as good a look on heavy conditions as anyone rolling Cells, Virtual Gravities, and whatever else those chose to roll on a pattern similar to shark. My BD is drilled close to stacked leverage and I use a 3M white pad (1200-grit ANSI/CAMI, ~3000-grit FEPA) on it about every 21 games. The ball gets good length and reads late in the midlane with a hard but controllable and easy to read turn to the pocket. Polished, I could see this skating but take the polish off and the ball is magic. Gold (ANSI/CAMI 1000 grit, FEPA 2000-grit) or white pads are the pads of choice for me. 2000-grit abralon also works for a look similar to the gold pad while 2000-grit with a quick hit of 4,000-grit abralon approximates the white pad. Unless you bowl on a flood, I wouldn't recommend the gray or burgundy pads: The BD sees the pattern too early and looks more like a DP.

One of the thing the Black Diamond has going for it is its coverstock versatility. It is more tunable than what was my experience with earlier particle balls: Lane Masters/Legends included.

There are several good reviews of the Black Diamond on this site. Pat Patterson owns two BDs and has good reviews of each with different surfaces and different drill patterns.

Foppe, There truly are a lot of excellent balls on the market. Anyone picking up the VG, Virtual Energy, Cell or Rogue Cell, or others won't go wrong. Just don't sell Lane Masters/Legends short as each of their releases in recent years has been a winner. I have both the Buzz Attack and the Black Diamond and have no regrets about picking up either of these.

golfnutFL: You owe it to yourself to knock off the polish on the Black Diamond and watch it show its stuff. As long you stay with the white and gold pads, you'll still get good length and back end even on heavier or longer patterns.

My opinion of factory finishes is that these finishes are usually tuned to medium conditions (the exception being balls marketed as "specialists" for heavy oil or light conditions which come dull and highly polished respectively). We bowl in different parts of the country with very different ideas about what constitutes a THS. In the desert, the houses are forced to put out relatively heavy patterns as the low humidity causes rapid evaporation of the conditioner. In more humid areas, the medium THS seems pretty dry to me but each locale holds its own surprises

One caution with the Black Diamond and other high differential RG pieces: If you have a lot of hand, don't drill it leverage as it will flare more than you can imagine.

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Re: Black Diamond vs other brands
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 07:06:02 AM »
quote:
Foppe,

My two cents. I see a lot of VGs and several Dynamic Powers in the Phoenix area and am of the opinion these are similar in reaction. No one I know that roll either of these two is disappointed. Two of my teammates roll Dynamic Powers as their first ball out of the bag and both see excellent reaction and carry on medium through heavy conditions.

I have a Black Diamond with close to 90 games on it. I won a scratch tournament with it shortly after picking it up and had at least as good a look on heavy conditions as anyone rolling Cells, Virtual Gravities, and whatever else those chose to roll on a pattern similar to shark. My BD is drilled close to stacked leverage and I use a 3M white pad (1200-grit ANSI/CAMI, ~3000-grit FEPA) on it about every 21 games. The ball gets good length and reads late in the midlane with a hard but controllable and easy to read turn to the pocket. Polished, I could see this skating but take the polish off and the ball is magic. Gold (ANSI/CAMI 1000 grit, FEPA 2000-grit) or white pads are the pads of choice for me. 2000-grit abralon also works for a look similar to the gold pad while 2000-grit with a quick hit of 4,000-grit abralon approximates the white pad. Unless you bowl on a flood, I wouldn't recommend the gray or burgundy pads: The BD sees the pattern too early and looks more like a DP.

One of the thing the Black Diamond has going for it is its coverstock versatility. It is more tunable than what was my experience with earlier particle balls: Lane Masters/Legends included.

There are several good reviews of the Black Diamond on this site. Pat Patterson owns two BDs and has good reviews of each with different surfaces and different drill patterns.

Foppe, There truly are a lot of excellent balls on the market. Anyone picking up the VG, Virtual Energy, Cell or Rogue Cell, or others won't go wrong. Just don't sell Lane Masters/Legends short as each of their releases in recent years has been a winner. I have both the Buzz Attack and the Black Diamond and have no regrets about picking up either of these.

golfnutFL: You owe it to yourself to knock off the polish on the Black Diamond and watch it show its stuff. As long you stay with the white and gold pads, you'll still get good length and back end even on heavier or longer patterns.

My opinion of factory finishes is that these finishes are usually tuned to medium conditions (the exception being balls marketed as "specialists" for heavy oil or light conditions which come dull and highly polished respectively). We bowl in different parts of the country with very different ideas about what constitutes a THS. In the desert, the houses are forced to put out relatively heavy patterns as the low humidity causes rapid evaporation of the conditioner. In more humid areas, the medium THS seems pretty dry to me but each locale holds its own surprises

One caution with the Black Diamond and other high differential RG pieces: If you have a lot of hand, don't drill it leverage as it will flare more than you can imagine.


well put!!!

Id agree with you as an owner of a BP on surface and drilling.

but its such a shame I have a black pearl sitting at home that i NEVER use. it came with too much top weight and too long of a pin and i ended up having to drill it pin down maybe 4 inches to leverage and a weight hole down very low! WAY WAY too much flare. ive seen this ball drilled like that burn up almost instantly even when polished to a mirror like shine! it ends up too much for medium polished due to its flare... and not enough for the oil when polished unless its juuuust right at medium-heavy. and then if i sand it i need to see heavy oil only and only if it holds up.

i love my BP so much. but i really wish it had normal starting weights so i could put a different drill on it !
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Foppe

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Re: Black Diamond vs other brands
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2009, 06:59:23 AM »
jbungard,

thanks for the reply.

I always liked LM/Legend stuff, alltough I've only throwen 2 pieces: Sure Strike & World Class Particle. My best friend throws an XS which I recommended to him.
The problem for myself is that it's not easy to get the LM/legend balls over here in Belgium anymore & that's the #1 reason why I don't have a LM/legend ball in my arsenal anymore

I'm gonna try to visit a shop that imports bowling balls and hopefully they have either the DP or the BD  - I'll make sure I'll experiment a bit more with the surfacechanges towards heavier oil, because I rarely do that - I throw 4000 Abralon finishes on heavy oil, I should try the 2000 finish more I guess

Thnx for all the replies so far.