You guys out here need to try a Burning Up, I got mine a few days ago, it came in 4000 Matte finish, I took it the rest of the way up too a Shinny 4000 and tossed a pair of 247's on 100% Synthetic THS lanes. For me this ball has about 2 1/2 inches of Flare, can't wait to try it tomorrow night in a THS 50/50 Wood/Synthetic house.