Author Topic: LF Ball Comparisons........ (Read 8835 times)

Monster Stitch · « **on:** February 03, 2013, 10:29:09 AM »

Hey guys! For those of you who have drilled a few LF balls, what balls do you think they compare to on the market. I am curious what type of range of balls we have. Please let me know. Trigg and Pat i know you guys have drilled quite of few balls in the line up. Your feed back would be great.

proform · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2013, 03:37:43 PM »

When it comes to Manufacturer comparisons I would say the Lord Field has a resemblence of a Brunswick/DV8 combination. The clean upfront from Brunswicks DV8 Division and the Mid-Lane read of Brunswick.
In the Lord Field Line really the only pieces that have the back end strength of Storm/Roto Grip would be Pin Hacker and Judgement.

Lord Field in my bags:(listed in order of my preference)
1.Judgement(have 2)- This is the "wow" ball. looks great, super clean, smooth mid lane and angular. This ball is the attentiona getter.
2.Heritage(have 2)- "Original" Track Heat on Steroids
3.Torment- I back in the Summer tagged this ball "The Must Have". I have put on two Test Drives and this ball is hands down the Top Choice. but have not had the Judgement at a Test Drive "yet?"....Lets see comparables;;Hyroad, Blue Vibe..
4.Pin Hacker-Closest to skid snap in the Lord Field Lineup. Maybe in the 611A range of motion...
5.Exodus Pearl- Very unique motion, clean and strong thrughout. You could buid a competitive arsenal with the Exodus Line.
6.Higgs- I love the Higgs. Heavier Particle but ball is clean up front, strong mid-lane and strongish in recovery.
7.Nasty- Similar to the Exodus Iron but not quite as early and stronger recovery. I personally could put this close to a Nano I drilled. Not as strong.
8.Exodus Solid- comparable to Crossroad I have similar layout on
9.Jacked- very unique motion
10.Exodus Iron- too strong and too early for me. My son loves the Iron. fits his high speed med-low rev rate.

hyme29 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2013, 05:48:29 PM »

Quote from: proform on February 03, 2013, 03:37:43 PM

When it comes to Manufacturer comparisons I would say the Lord Field has a resemblence of a Brunswick/DV8 combination. The clean upfront from Brunswicks DV8 Division and the Mid-Lane read of Brunswick.
In the Lord Field Line really the only pieces that have the back end strength of Storm/Roto Grip would be Pin Hacker and Judgement.

Lord Field in my bags:(listed in order of my preference)
1.Judgement(have 2)- This is the "wow" ball. looks great, super clean, smooth mid lane and angular. This ball is the attentiona getter.
2.Heritage(have 2)- "Original" Track Heat on Steroids
3.Torment- I back in the Summer tagged this ball "The Must Have". I have put on two Test Drives and this ball is hands down the Top Choice. but have not had the Judgement at a Test Drive "yet?"....Lets see comparables;;Hyroad, Blue Vibe..
4.Pin Hacker-Closest to skid snap in the Lord Field Lineup. Maybe in the 611A range of motion...
5.Exodus Pearl- Very unique motion, clean and strong thrughout. You could buid a competitive arsenal with the Exodus Line.
6.Higgs- I love the Higgs. Heavier Particle but ball is clean up front, strong mid-lane and strongish in recovery.
7.Nasty- Similar to the Exodus Iron but not quite as early and stronger recovery. I personally could put this close to a Nano I drilled. Not as strong.
8.Exodus Solid- comparable to Crossroad I have similar layout on
9.Jacked- very unique motion
10.Exodus Iron- too strong and too early for me. My son loves the Iron. fits his high speed med-low rev rate.

ok so I have a question...i have a judgment on the way and I'm planning on a 75x5-5.5x30 drill on that should give me length and a mild read of the mids with a good snap on the rear.... I am also interested in the jacked and heritage would you classify them as stronger or weaker (overall) and if you can explain the motions from release to the pins between the three...thanks

Monster Stitch · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2013, 06:25:44 PM »

Hyme29: The Judgement is not a flippy ball at all. It rolls early and arcs. The particle in the ball really blends the pattern out. Overall the balls revs arc. That's it. Treat this like a benchmark ball.

Proform: thanks for the breakdown. If you say the Exodus solid is like a CrossRoad i hope the Exodus Pearl is like a HyRoad.

hyme29 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2013, 06:39:23 PM »

Quote from: Monster Stitch on February 03, 2013, 06:25:44 PM

Hyme29: The Judgement is not a flippy ball at all. It rolls early and arcs. The particle in the ball really blends the pattern out. Overall the balls revs arc. That's it. Treat this like a benchmark ball.

oh by all means not expecting this ball to flip.... I'm looking for length with a strong move to the pocket .. The funny part is I have see reviews on this ball saying its angular and then a review saying its smooth... So I'm guessing the angle is coming from the high revvers and the smooth is the strikers..but without any vids of this ball aside from the single one on YouTube I guess I'll have to drill it and see what I get

J_Mac · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2013, 06:59:24 PM »

Revs don't always impart "snap"

Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...

Just some food for thought...

hyme29 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2013, 07:37:26 PM »

Quote from: J_Mac on February 03, 2013, 06:59:24 PM

Revs don't always impart "snap"

Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...

Just some food for thought...

well I understand that... I doubt anyone that has posted a review on the judgment has 0tilt and 0rotation ... I'm saying out of the reviews posted I have seen some say its a angular ball and others say its not... Either way I am still wanting to see more videos up to give a visual of the balls reaction. Cause is this thread alone proform says its angular ,and monster stitch says its early arcing..

batbowler · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2013, 10:26:01 PM »

It may not seem like a skid/flip to some, but mine is very strong and very angular at the breakpoint!! I can't use it only on fresh oil and I'm deeper than any other ball I have! It's a lot stronger than my Heritage and my Exodus Iron is my least favorite ball! Just my $.02, Bruce

proform · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2013, 10:39:48 PM »

Quote from: hyme29 on February 03, 2013, 07:37:26 PM

Quote from: J_Mac on February 03, 2013, 06:59:24 PM
Revs don't always impart "snap"

Axis tilt and axis rotation create angular motion. Zero axis tilt and zero axis rotation is essentially a ball rolling off a handicap ramp. No matter the RPM rate, that ball is going straight...

Just some food for thought...
well I understand that... I doubt anyone that has posted a review on the judgment has 0tilt and 0rotation ... I'm saying out of the reviews posted I have seen some say its a angular ball and others say its not... Either way I am still wanting to see more videos up to give a visual of the balls reaction. Cause is this thread alone proform says its angular ,and monster stitch says its early arcing..

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Hyme29,
As you see I have drilled all the 2012-2013 releases and the only 2 balls in the Lord Field line I would consider "Angular" are the Judgement and the Pin Hacker. Both of the Judgements I drilled are strong, "Angular" and not "early arcing". With layout, surface and bowler specs I could see the Judgement "arcing". If someone were to drill a Judgement and found the ball "early and arcing" Then I would recomend they do not drill an Exodus Iron or Jacked unless they are looking for a "very" early motion. Also as I have stated on facebook and other sites. I drilled 2 Judgements and love the OOB condition which many others have felt was too over/under. When I took one of my Judgements to 2000ab it was too strong thru mid lane and backend, ball was still clean thru the heads. The Exodus Line is "arcy" I would not call the Judgement "arcy" but layout, surface and bowler specs can create that shape.

proform · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2013, 11:04:08 PM »

Quote from: hyme29 on February 03, 2013, 05:48:29 PM

Quote from: proform on February 03, 2013, 03:37:43 PM
When it comes to Manufacturer comparisons I would say the Lord Field has a resemblence of a Brunswick/DV8 combination. The clean upfront from Brunswicks DV8 Division and the Mid-Lane read of Brunswick.
In the Lord Field Line really the only pieces that have the back end strength of Storm/Roto Grip would be Pin Hacker and Judgement.

Lord Field in my bags:(listed in order of my preference)
1.Judgement(have 2)- This is the "wow" ball. looks great, super clean, smooth mid lane and angular. This ball is the attentiona getter.
2.Heritage(have 2)- "Original" Track Heat on Steroids
3.Torment- I back in the Summer tagged this ball "The Must Have". I have put on two Test Drives and this ball is hands down the Top Choice. but have not had the Judgement at a Test Drive "yet?"....Lets see comparables;;Hyroad, Blue Vibe..
4.Pin Hacker-Closest to skid snap in the Lord Field Lineup. Maybe in the 611A range of motion...
5.Exodus Pearl- Very unique motion, clean and strong thrughout. You could buid a competitive arsenal with the Exodus Line.
6.Higgs- I love the Higgs. Heavier Particle but ball is clean up front, strong mid-lane and strongish in recovery.
7.Nasty- Similar to the Exodus Iron but not quite as early and stronger recovery. I personally could put this close to a Nano I drilled. Not as strong.
8.Exodus Solid- comparable to Crossroad I have similar layout on
9.Jacked- very unique motion
10.Exodus Iron- too strong and too early for me. My son loves the Iron. fits his high speed med-low rev rate.

ok so I have a question...i have a judgment on the way and I'm planning on a 75x5-5.5x30 drill on that should give me length and a mild read of the mids with a good snap on the rear.... I am also interested in the jacked and heritage would you classify them as stronger or weaker (overall) and if you can explain the motions from release to the pins between the three...thanks

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Hyme29,
What are your specs?
I have Judgement #1 with a 75x5x30 layout and OOB and love the ball.
I would definately recomend to drill a Heritage the ball will be earlier and still strong down lane but not as angular even being Asymetric. In my opinion the cover is weaker than the Judgement.

I would recomend drilling a Pin Hacker if looking for a weaker but angular ball or an Exodus Pearl if you are looking for weaker with a stronger mid-lane read(than Pin Hacker)

I would recomend the Nasty or Higgs if you are looking for stronger covers. The Nasty being strong mid-lane and the Higgs stronger recovery and better able to handle tighter backends.
As for the Jacked teh best I can descfribe it is super strong Urethane move. The ball handles surface changes well and is clean thru the heads but very strong mid-lane read with what I could best describe as a hard arc at the backend.

hyme29 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2013, 11:38:57 PM »

My specs are
5 7/8> 3/4^ pap
450+ revs
17-18mph
12* tilt
40-50* rotation

I was thinking the 75x5.5x30 on my judgment

proform · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2013, 11:49:18 PM »

Hyme29
I would recomend drill a Heritage and Pin Hacker. I would lay the Pin Hacker out the same as your Judgement and go with 4 inch pin to PAP pin down on the Heritage. You will have evreything but the extreme Heavy oil and toasted lanes.

proform · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2013, 11:45:15 AM »

Quote from: hyme29 on February 03, 2013, 06:39:23 PM

Quote from: Monster Stitch on February 03, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
Hyme29: The Judgement is not a flippy ball at all. It rolls early and arcs. The particle in the ball really blends the pattern out. Overall the balls revs arc. That's it. Treat this like a benchmark ball.
oh by all means not expecting this ball to flip.... I'm looking for length with a strong move to the pocket .. The funny part is I have see reviews on this ball saying its angular and then a review saying its smooth... So I'm guessing the angle is coming from the high revvers and the smooth is the strikers..but without any vids of this ball aside from the single one on YouTube I guess I'll have to drill it and see what I get

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I would recommend going to:
http://www.lordfield.com/en/
There on the Home Page is a copy of the Bowlers Journal Review of the Judgement. The backend rating speaks for itself...

littlegreycat · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2013, 01:00:24 PM »

The ball will jump with bone dry backends but it's still not angular. I have the fringe that's a ball for me which is crazy skid flip. If I did the judgement for the long and snappy I'd do a 65/70x5x30. It's fairly close to what you want to do. I wish others would post up with video besides myself. I need to drill the judgement for a friend who is rev-dom. I will decide the layout once I see the p2cg distance cause his span is 5-1/8. I'd hate to have to post video of him just to get a righty video of the judgement.

Here's a video for the pink judgement. It's 2.53 .030 and 1000 polish. Maybe it can be of help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNNcCr90PfY

proform · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2013, 01:35:11 PM »

Judgement does not need bone dry backed.....
Please look at the ball review in Bowlers Journal. A ball does not need to be skid flip to be angular. The fringe is not apples to apples. The Fringe will not handle equal volumes of oil.

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