I drilled both up as well, the nasty I went pin above bridge cg out 15* (didnt do a dual angle on this one as I like that drilling on symetrical stuff) ball rolls clean up front and has a very pronounced move off the spot, not a real jerky move but a hard move none the less, on volume this ball still have enough surface to make a turn back to the hole, you just have to play the right angles, and its versitle enough to allow me to move right and be direct and firm as well will try it on shark tonight and see what it does on a true longer pattern