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gadgetman

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14 vs. 13
« on: December 30, 2012, 03:44:40 AM »
May be a few old timers or injured folk had to ball down.
Going from 15 to 14 increased revolutions a bit and was still able to knock em down.
Wondering if any out there have any positive comments.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2012, 07:00:05 AM »
Dropping weight, with proper fitting, can still yield good results. A gentleman who frequents the shop I work in throws 12lb equipment and still carries the pocket well. The key is speed control and surface. The only downside that I've seen is that blow-by 9's and wrap 10's are more common.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2012, 07:26:30 AM »
The only issue I can see going into 13's is fewer full cores for most manufacturers in 13's.  There are a few but not many.

Also even when bowlers use 14's they should check specs. on 14's vs. 15's and 16's.  It does make a difference for me on how I may layout and use a ball in a line up.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2012, 09:19:20 AM »

You cannot ignore physics. If two balls were thrown exactly alike, one being 14 and the other 13, I like the chances of the 14 carrying better and more consistently, especially on those "not so perfect" releases.

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Juggernaut

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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 09:31:54 AM »
Quote from: notclay on December 30, 2012, 09:19:20 AM

You cannot ignore physics. If two balls were thrown exactly alike, one being 14 and the other 13, I like the chances of the 14 carrying better and more consistently, especially on those "not so perfect" releases.



 While I agree with what is being said, I also have to add that the 13lb reactive ball will probably carry as well as, if not better than, a 16lb plastic or urethane ball.

 It isn't as simple as E=MC2. It has a lot to do with entry angle and continuation.

 The reactives just allow for much more angle and friction through the pindeck.

 My wife throws a 12lb hammer BURN. While she doesn't carry off hits too well because of her slow speed, she DOES blow the rack when she hits the pocket.

 It all boils down to this: How much power do you need to knock the pins down?
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2012, 09:37:36 AM »
Good point Juggernaut.

The two balls compared should be the same type of ball, and even same model for the best comparison.  Frankly, you would probably need the throwbot to duplicate release, too.  As hard as we try, duplicating (exactly) the release on two different weights would be tricky at best.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2012, 03:16:26 PM »
I dropped from 16 t 14 and have found, like posted above, that the difference is reflected when you release it bad. On those shots that you know you threw bad, but they hit the dry and go to the pocket, 16 generally carry while I have the 14lb "pocket hits" sometimes leave some weird splits. Throw it good, and the lighter weight hits as impressive as the heavier.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 05:28:39 PM »
The one point thing about 13 vs 14 lb balls that I was given years ago is that the 3 pins that a ball must knock down weigh about 14 pounds total. So, the coach taught that when dropping below 14, it was best to hit Brooklyn not pocket for best pin fall.  Now this was being coached to youth girls, but my daughters carry and average did go up once she taught her how to adjust to go to the opposite side. Not something I would have ever thought about teaching but witnessed working more than once.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 05:35:57 PM »
Tex... 4 pins should equal at least 14# and as much as 14.5#

Minimum pin weight is 3# 6 oz. and max is 3# 10 oz.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 10:46:07 PM »
I think you only confirmed the point that Beth Owen's would make on this issue. If you roll a ball under 14 pounds you reduce the chance of carrying a  pocket hit. Ball deflection and loss of energy is greater due to the ball weighing less than those pins it must knock down. The 1/2 pound would not be significant and most centers will buy the lightest legal pin weight to increase scoring.

The helicopter release is based on this theory and why it is directed at the off pocket with lighter weight balls. I believe Storm used to produce a special weight ball for this style.

I now a lot of guys that throw 14's, but have not seen what the affect would be for an adult, but once the ball speed drops as we get older then I would think her theory again becomes something that could be considered and have an affect on scoring.
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Re: 14 vs. 13
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 01:11:34 PM »
13# can carry.  The issue is that most people who throw 13# don't have the speed or turn to generate amazing pin action.
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