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EdogMotiv

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15lb to 14lb?
« on: December 29, 2017, 05:19:10 PM »
Hello, I’m a medium-high rev player with about a 12.5-13 mph ball I throw 15 lbs currently. Game is still a WIP 150s league average started bowling last July and I was just curious if I should drop weight for more speed. Because in my arsenal I have a trident and a pitch and I love them both but the trident just doesn’t work for me unless I can get it down the lane faster than what I can consistently throw so most of the time it just sits in my bag and collects dust while I throw my pitch black more directly and do fine. I like good scores but I don’t like working with caveman era tools (urethane) id rather be working with these more hooking balls. So do I drop weight so my speed and keep up with my revs

 

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 05:50:10 PM »
Don't think that "caveman era tools" can't score. There just isn't enough oil for the Trident with your slower ball speed.

Weight is just dependent on personal ability. If you feel like 14 could be beneficial for you, there's no reason not to try it

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 06:09:24 PM »
Don't think that "caveman era tools" can't score. There just isn't enough oil for the Trident with your slower ball speed.

Weight is just dependent on personal ability. If you feel like 14 could be beneficial for you, there's no reason not to try it

Trust me I know urethane can score, it’s just not the look I’m going for or want. Even on fresh oil I can’t get my trident to go down lane far enough before it hooks because I assume my speed is too slow. Wouldn’t it be easier to drop weight so I could get my ball down the lane faster

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 06:54:10 PM »
It could. Like I said above, there's no reason not to try it if you think it could help.

My recommendation would be something in the middle. Not urethane but not a top shelf ball. Every company has good stuff in the middle.

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 07:16:36 PM »
A drop in ball weight did no t help me. Looked tiredly for the same solution and finally ended up with the Track spare + ball and it solved the problem big time! I can personally vouch for this ball if you have a problem with early hooking and pin carry.
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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 08:08:53 PM »
I tried going from 15 to 14, but although I gained a little speed, I lost carry most of the time. Dropping to 15 from 16 was a good move, but 14? For me, not so much. I'm a 13-14 MPH, 250 rev lefty and only recently figured out that indeed I'm frequently hooking early, but the speed increase didn't result in the gains I anticipated. Worth a try? Yes... Guaranteed bet? No. I do carry a 14lb Raptor P7 for warmup, which I also used regularly when I had Afib since 15 made me tired, but now that the Afib has been thankfully cured by surgery, I find 15 is better for me. I also have a 14LB GB2 that I shot 680 @ nats with a few years ago, but again, same result nowadays.

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 08:15:37 PM »
It helped my speed by a little, but I dropped because of a wrist injury.  If you are averaging in the 150's, work on your timing.  Correct swing and timing will have more impact than a drop in weight.
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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2017, 09:16:40 AM »
Unless the drop in weight will get you up to the 16-17 mph speed that  you need to take advantage of the newer, high powered bowling balls, usually the little speed you gain is offset by bad carry. Rob Mautner wrote a great article in Bowling This Month and talked about this[he was speaking more to seniors,but the idea is the same]. Wish I had read his article before I tried it, because he was right. You would have to buy a new ball anyway if you drop to 14lbs, so talk to your PSO and get a middle of the road ball[to many to mention], and if you are newer to the sport you will pick up ball speed just by improving your timing . Good luck to you.

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2017, 10:17:26 AM »
Hello, I’m a medium-high rev player with about a 12.5-13 mph ball I throw 15 lbs currently. Game is still a WIP 150s league average started bowling last July and I was just curious if I should drop weight for more speed. Because in my arsenal I have a trident and a pitch and I love them both but the trident just doesn’t work for me unless I can get it down the lane faster than what I can consistently throw so most of the time it just sits in my bag and collects dust while I throw my pitch black more directly and do fine. I like good scores but I don’t like working with caveman era tools (urethane) id rather be working with these more hooking balls. So do I drop weight so my speed and keep up with my revs

Lol! I can't believe you said, "caveman era tools"! Dude! You throw with whatever  works! Regardless of age!

I have an arsenal of some top shelf pieces but the current first ball out of my bag, most nights is a '90's era Brunswick Red Alert Special Addition!!!
And that's because it will give me the read I need, in case I have to move on to something else! A lot of these top shelf balls just don't match up, cover-wise to the quantity of oil the houses put out. Stop fighting that losing battle!

As others have said above, you will gain some speed by switching to 14lbs, but I don't think it will be enough to offset what you are trying to do.

I throw 14, 15, and 16. Your carry will change dramatically when you go to 14. I have to play the lanes differently whenever I go to 14 because yes, I can throw it harder but because I am rev dominant, the balls generally move faster and harder on the backends! Something to think about!
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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2017, 12:22:33 PM »
Going from 15# to 14# will not increase a ball's velocity unless a considerable  amount of additional force is applied to the ball by the hand in a trajectory that is parallel to the lane surface just before release. In fact, rolling a ball that is much lighter in weight
will often result in a DECREASE in ball velocity ( assuming no additional external force is applied to the ball) . This, because a lighter ball has less momentum, which results in frictional forces slowing the ball down even more than it would a heavier ball. This principle is not applicable in all situations, but it generally holds true when discussing bowling ball dynamics.

Anybody can try this out for themselves, provided your center has accurate speed sensors and you are using balls with different weights, with similar physical properties, and provided they are not applying EXCESSIVE amounts of hand force
directed in a direction in line with the ball's trajectory onto the lane surface.     

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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2017, 12:51:53 PM »
 I went from 15 to 14 several years back, and really didn’t see much difference, if any at all.

 It did not naturally increase, or decrease, my ball speed. It didn’t make my carry any better, or any worse, just “different”. Those light  garbage time shots didn’t fall as often, but I threw less of them because the lighter weight allowed me to be more precise, and the flush hits carried just as well.

 Threw them for years. Just got my hands on a couple of 15’s, and haven’t noticed them carrying any better than my 14’s.

 I’ve shot 300 with both weights, shot 700’s with both weights, and oddly enough, the only 800 I ever shot was with a ball that weighed 14lb 10oz. Not sure whether to call it a heavy 14, or a light 15.

 For me, it always seemed to be more about getting the ball to fit me and come off my hand correctly than it was about whether it weighed 14 or 15 pounds.


 Now, I do want to qualify it by also saying that I never used a urethane or plastic ball (as a strike ball) that weighed less than 15 pounds. When you change coverstocks and lose that backend reaction, and start to rely more on the sheer force of impact, then it did seem to make a much bigger difference.

 For me, the reactives did not seem to nearly as much.
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Re: 15lb to 14lb?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2018, 11:27:39 AM »
Last season had thumb injury and when I came back I used 14 for about a month in 2 leagues. I gained speed but also hook as the lighter weight was easier to get more revolutions. On good shots the hit and carry was great but any shots that were slight misses left into oil would hit like a dish rag and my misses right in the dry were crossing over. I wouldn't recommend unless needed because of injury or age and would recommend staying with 15 as the carry is going to be better. You said you just started bowling last July so I would recommend considering some lessons with a coach to help you with ball speed before spending more $ on a ball. Good Luck and Good Bowling!