Author Topic: 15lb vs 14lb (Read 2639 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** October 09, 2004, 06:47:18 PM »

Aren't the cores in all 15lb balls the same in 14lb balls too? Or at least high performance type cores? Or are they "weaker" type cores?

And does anybody know if 14lb balls carry (like 10 pins and stuff) as good as 15lb balls? Or do they lack in carry as compared to 15lb and 16lb stuff?

intergalactic · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2004, 03:05:34 AM »

I don't really know about cores but you won't notice a difference in carry.
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drillbit · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2004, 03:20:00 AM »

As far as I know, almost all balls have the same shape core from 16 thru 14 lbs. Some keep that shape in lighter weights, but most stop at 14 lbs. Having said that, while the core shape's the same, the numbers (RG, RG differential) are normally a little different, but not usually in a large amount.
As to pin carry, I find that 14 lbs CAN carry as well or better than the heavier weights. You will get increased deflection, which, depending on your game can help out a lot with pin carry. Personally, I find that I carry the slightly heavier hit better (fewer 4 and 9 pins), but I do give up a bit on the light, mixer-type hits(a few more 5 and 7 pins). As to the 10 pin, I rarely leave ringing ones anymore, mostly flat ones(6 pin just lays in the gutter), and no more of them than I can remember leaving when I rolled heavier equipment.
The most important thing I found when dropping to 14, was to make sure I got out of the ball CLEAN. If I hung up, or dropped it, I got some ugly results(5-7s, 5-10s, 8-10s) on what looked like reasonably good shots. I almost never leave the 9 or 4-9 anymore, unless I'm almost dead on the head pin.

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intergalactic · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2004, 03:41:42 AM »

I don't have a degree in physics but if you are worrying about the carry between 14 15 or 16 then you must have mastered the game with perfect execution of each shot with perfect form otherwise the last thing you should be worrying about is a couple of freaking pounds! If you can't even get to the pocket half the time you don't need to worry about getting that little extra carry come back when you average 200 and we will talk about it.

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Re-Evolution · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2004, 07:26:53 AM »

What I have observed from the people that I have seen that have gone up or down in weight is that their style determined if they gained or lost carry.
My thoughts on it are if you may carry better with a lighter ball if you have a high entry angle and vise versa due to ball deflection.
I personally use both 14 and 15 and for me 14 works better when I am swinging the ball with more of a skid snap reaction and the break point is outside of 10. There are a few reasons for this, due to the lighter weight I can get a few more revs on the ball, a lighter ball can change direction slightly quicker (physics), and generally as balls get lighter they have a slightly higher RG which will store a bit more energy for the backend.
15 works better for me better when I have to play a tighter line and/or there is carrydown the reasons are pretty much thee opposite as 14.
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seadrive · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2004, 01:15:56 PM »

On "off" hits, especially light mixers, the heavier ball will carry better. On solid pocket shots, you won't notice much difference. Even with a 14# ball, I still leave 4-9's and stone 8's and 9's.

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Ric Clint · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2004, 01:10:46 AM »

Thanks!

stanski · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2004, 01:56:27 AM »

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What I have observed from the people that I have seen that have gone up or down in weight is that their style determined if they gained or lost carry.
My thoughts on it are if you may carry better with a lighter ball if you have a high entry angle and vise versa due to ball deflection.
I personally use both 14 and 15 and for me 14 works better when I am swinging the ball with more of a skid snap reaction and the break point is outside of 10. There are a few reasons for this, due to the lighter weight I can get a few more revs on the ball, a lighter ball can change direction slightly quicker (physics), and generally as balls get lighter they have a slightly higher RG which will store a bit more energy for the backend.
15 works better for me better when I have to play a tighter line and/or there is carrydown the reasons are pretty much thee opposite as 14.
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I completely agree with stormin. It really depends on your style and what you are looking for in your game. 14 does allow you to swing the ball a little more, put a few more revs on it, a little more speed, but more flat 10's and less mixers. Even though i am a skinnier guy (my ball 15 is over 11% of my body weight) i have this sort of mental block type thing against 14 pounds. For some reason, i just cant throw 14 if i know its a 14 pounder, and i can usually tell if it is 14 anyways. 15 seems to not create as much entrance angle for me, but it has more carry to offset this. Whatever your game and physical abilities are should determine the weight you throw.
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1fife · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2004, 07:08:21 AM »

my opinion

i have moved down to 14 form 15 two years ago(had elbow problems and finally had surgery this summer)

my have above average rev, avg speed
usually deep-3-4 arrow

my take

more 10 pins
less 4,8,9
more weak 7's
less solid 7's

if you have any more specific Q's pm me

tenpinspro · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2004, 07:36:26 AM »

I also tend to agree with the style reply but I like to define it more as being able to create hook. If you can create hook, you can still score regardless of weight. Hook will still offer you the area on the lane, driving power and entry angle which is needed to score (in general). The less amount(stroker) of hook you create, you're still limited to a smaller area on the lane, hence scores are lower (in general).

The hardest time we have in scoring is when the lanes are flooded because nobody has any area, you have to depend on accuracy. No different then hard rubber on lacquer lanes which not too many people back then created hook which in turn produced lower scores. Mccune tried acetone to make his ball softer to "hook" more and the industry has never stopped since then in making balls to "hook" more because that's what helps in generating higher scores(in general). If you normally do not create a lot of hook, changing to a lighter weight will normally not help you but can hurt you. If you can hook a ball regardless of weight, it shouldn't be much different. It will help those however who were not creating enough deflection(8,9's) because it should create some now.

Personal note, went to 14lbs 3 years ago, shot 3(300) and still the same avg, 210. Just my 2 cents...
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