Author Topic: "New Ball Carry" (Read 2739 times)

ccrider · « **on:** September 19, 2011, 12:39:34 AM »

Reading a post about how many games before a ball loses reaction, and got to wondering----- how many of you believe that there is a such thing as "new ball carry?"

I do. I frequently see people using new balls bowling much higher than their average, and also notice that new balls seem to hit and carry better.

I have resurfaced and rejuvenated balls for my friends and have also noticed that the balls hit better and carry better, even in those situtations where the balls have relatively low games on them (less than 50).

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2011, 09:29:24 AM »

I've had balls that worked great NIB and some that didn't work NIB until I changed the surface 1-2-3 times or so finding a surface that would work for me and the conditions I bowl on.

For example I bought the original Mission the end of January and that ball worked great NIB.

then bought a Game On and that ball didn"t work NIB and I had to change the surface twice to get it to match up to me.

I then bought another Gamebreaker in June and it worked Ok NIB so I made no adjustments, but it was at it's best after about 20-25 games on it. The first one I bought a couple years ago was likewise in that the more I used it, the better it worked, and it still works great today after 150-200 games, but I am not using it at the moment because it is 14# and I went up to 15# inlate January of this year.

Then I bought a Track 607A SE a couole or so months ago and this ball didn't work NIB, but after 3 surface changes, it now works really great.

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sheppy335 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2011, 11:22:12 AM »

I never seen a ball not carry as it got old. I might have not been getting the ball in the hole correctly to not carry but not cause a ball is used more often.

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Jesse James · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2011, 01:29:05 PM »

Personally i don't believe its the new ball that carries well. I think it's 50% the new ball and the other 50% is the excitement and emotion of knowing you have a new ball! Your expectations are higher, therefore you tend to throw it just a little better. I've thrown a 300 game with a brand new ball, and I've thrown a 300 game with an 18 year old ball! They both carried well!

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Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2011, 01:41:31 PM »

Why you liberal........lol....

I agree with you JJ, new equipment is always fun to get and I think that extra bit of focus promotes better shot location the first few outings..I do think once a ball absorbs some oil it will tame down some but nothing a foot adjustment couldn't compensate for.

Jesse James wrote on 9/21/2011 1:29 PM:
Personally i don't believe its the new ball that carries well. I think it's 50% the new ball and the other 50% is the excitement and emotion of knowing you have a new ball! Your expectations are higher, therefore you tend to throw it just a little better. I've thrown a 300 game with a brand new ball, and I've thrown a 300 game with an 18 year old ball! They both carried well!

Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, but it still holds the universe together.

Some days you're the bug; some days you're the windshield.

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dougb · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2011, 07:30:54 PM »

The flipside is once a ball gets a track into it then it can come to my life in my experience.

Good Times Good Times wrote on 9/21/2011 1:41 PM:I do think once a ball absorbs some oil it will tame down some but nothing a foot adjustment couldn't compensate for.

Jesse James wrote on 9/21/2011 1:29 PM:
Personally i don't believe its the new ball that carries well. I think it's 50% the new ball and the other 50% is the excitement and emotion of knowing you have a new ball! Your expectations are higher, therefore you tend to throw it just a little better. I've thrown a 300 game with a brand new ball, and I've thrown a 300 game with an 18 year old ball! They both carried well!

Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, but it still holds the universe together.

Some days you're the bug; some days you're the windshield.

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ccrider · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:48:25 PM »

I have often seen people throwing new balls carrying all around the pocket-- abnormally good carry that didn't last. I drill a few balls for friends and have often drilled new balls that they shoot honor scores with the first night out.

Perhaps what I am seeing is a result of the bowlers making better shots, but I don't think so.

Also, most bowlers do not want a track on their ball, and have them resurfaced if a track begins to show. Are they missing out on something? Maybe so, but I don't see that trend changing. I do have a couple of balls that take a few games to break in after the surface is touched up or polished, my pink panther being one of them. But as a rule, I seem to get my best results when the balls are fresh out of the rejuvenator and off of the haus.

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Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 22, 2011, 10:49:58 AM »

I have to agree..

I have seen time and time again people throw new stuff and carry allot better.. But after a few games and getting a track on the ball that hitting power goes back to normal..... Cleaning the balling and putting the factory finish back on the ball doesnt seem to get the ball like it was out of the box

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storm22 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 22, 2011, 10:52:19 AM »

Definitely agree... New balls hit like trucks. Carry all the light hits and pin action like crazy. They tame down after about 12-15 games. Just think. How many times have you seen pro's throw balls with any amount of games on them. If they are throwing an older release, it's a brand new older release.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #9 on:** September 26, 2011, 05:10:51 AM »

Personally, I "believe" in ball death, due to oil absorption/saturation and probably changes in the materal itself (plastisizer bleeding out) - but IMHO it is not as frequent as many claim. I got the impression that players who complain just have a weak release, and the strong coverstock just covers up this game flaw was long as the ball is new/clean/OOB. Once it loses its high traction potential (and which is hard to replicate to 100% through regular maintenance), the ball is proclaimed "dead". IMO it is important to check the factors that might be influential just outside of the ball itself.

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802dave · « **Reply #10 on:** September 26, 2011, 10:04:57 AM »

Or it could be that due to oil absorbtion and inadequate surface maintenance and prep, that the ball is not finishing the hook phase and getting into the roll phase before hitting the pins like it was.

According to Mo Pinel, you get your best carry when the ball is in its roll phase, after hook-out and before roll-out.

So yeah, it seems like new ball carry. But as the surface changes, the skid-hook-roll stages change as well. Less friction, later reaction and different pin-action.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2011, 12:31:20 AM »

802dave wrote on 26.09.2011 10:04 AM:
According to Mo Pinel, you get your best carry when the ball is in its roll phase, after hook-out and before roll-out.

Absolutely right, and that's why having a keen eye on the ball's reaction is so vital. A ball must not hook a lot (= covering lots of boards), it has to go through the skid/hook/roll phases properly, and steering this sequence so that you control the end of the hook phase so far that you have the ball just rolling as it enters the pins yields the best energy transfer from the ball into the pin deck. Entry angle is also a matter, but if you can manage the ball's recation, esp. with lane transition, you have a good chance of being highly competitive, esp. in longer formats.

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