Author Topic: 1st league night, dry lanes (Read 19173 times)

12XSECH · « **on:** September 13, 2013, 07:16:38 AM »

AMF has been sold out...we all know this, but they are also putting out less volume of oil. our shot for league was a modified stone street...modified means hardly any oil i guess. My storm manic was way to much ball for this shot. All my other stuff is stronger, nightmare terror, reax, nightmare. What is a good ball for this light of volume? I like to stay within storm, dv8...My avg 216, 15 to 16 mph tweener...Thanks.

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #61 on:** September 19, 2013, 10:54:28 AM »

Quote from: 12XSECH on September 19, 2013, 10:29:40 AM

Good times,
Making it go longer does tame it down, Its not going to be hooking at the arrows. I like strong equipment, some I have drilled strong, others I have drilled weak. I bowl on house shots and I bowl in sport shot tournaments. The start of this thread was the lack of oil that AMF is putting out. Not about what adjustments I should make with my feet etc... Last year at this particular house my equipment worked fine except for the nightmare. This year, nothing worked due to the lack of oil. Last night I bought a Wrecker, had it drilled pin up and it worked great on this lanes right after they were oiled. Tonight is league night and I'll see how it works. The Wrecker is a strong ball considering its in Roto Grips H2 line up but it gave the length that the Manic and my other stuff didnt.

Depends on the polish. Some polishes don't have a slip agent so the ball saves energy instead of taming the reaction. Most polishes dont have enough of a slip agent to "tame" the reaction and it also creates an inconsistent surface. This is why I recommend lower grit pads or a pad process(500,1000,2000,4000). This will get the ball to bleed energy without giving up too much up front.

While the Wrecker is in the H2 line, the entire line is incredibly strong compared to most mid-level balls. The Wrecker for me on the dry was extremely angular and overly aggressive off the spot on the dry so I ended up with a RotoGrip Shout. I would invest in something like a 300C solid or a motiv venom strike that will get through the heads and not be so angular on the back.

bltbyj · « **Reply #62 on:** September 19, 2013, 11:08:17 AM »

Quote from: batbowler on September 18, 2013, 11:50:17 PM

Are most of you guys at an AMF house? The private owned house I bowl at has plenty of oil, the AMF house has next to nothing. I bowled on the end lanes last week and was able to walk up the side of the lane and see the oil. There was NONE outside of 5 and it ended at about 45 feet. Bone dry backend. When I used the Manic and swung it out, it looks like it ran into a brick wall then made a left turn. I was told before the season started that this new AMF / bowlmore is pinching pennies on everything including oil. So far this all seems to be true.

Darn, 45' is long oil and most THS doesn't have much if any oil outside of 5! Most THS are 38' to 42' and that's with Kegel machines and we have our machine to not oil the first 4" of the lane at the foul line so when the lane man wipes the approach, he doesn't drag oil onto the lane by accident. It also is for safety if somebody slides to much and goes over the foul line, they don't slip or drag oil back. Just my $.02, Bruce

Yes I bowl at a AMF house.

trash heap · « **Reply #63 on:** September 19, 2013, 12:52:08 PM »

12,

Storm has a "Super Natural" which something they are calling a "Super Urethane".

http://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/supernatural

Also they have a pearl urethane:

http://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/naturalpearl

Interesting coment on their page in reference the the Natural Pearl:

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But not all lane conditions are conducive to Premier Line equipment with all the coverstock technology needed for maximum traction. Some competitive oil patterns are short with very clean backends and some lane surfaces, especially wood, have an extreme amount of wear and built in friction.

Most centers in my area put very low volume. I am lucky if I can use any reactive ball for one game. When I see any reactive ball gripping early; I immediately move to my Urethane stuff (Scout and U2). Sometimes this happens during practice.

A lot my issues with this, has to do with my lack of speed. I have tried to increase it, but usually my game suffers, with increase speed also comes other problems (balance, not as accurate, poor timing). So my solution is to stay in my comfort zone, throw the ball the way I want to and just use less agressive equipment. Yeah I might sacrafice carry, but I have shot some really high scores and series with Urethane. Also with Urethane I am usually making less adjustments and not moving around as much trying to find oil.

You got to find what works for you.

It would interesting to know when you find a successful solution to your issue. Whether its a new ball, changing an existing one, moving your line, or whatever.

Let us know.

Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #64 on:** September 19, 2013, 01:05:09 PM »

This person nailed it....

Quote from: astrodanco on September 19, 2013, 12:42:22 AM

Well guys, my scores have gone up with the less oil, um, way up. It's an easier shot for sure. League isn't a problem. It's practice time that's the problem. They're not just putting down less oil during league, but no oil at all at any other time. Come in on a Sunday morning to practice and there's been no oil applied since Friday. That would be fine and dandy if I needed to practice for such a rare condition, but I don't. That's not a league or tournament condition anywhere, hence I get nothing particularly useful out of practicing on it. I don't enjoy poking myself in the eye with a sharp stick either.

crazyyankee · « **Reply #65 on:** September 21, 2013, 07:13:56 PM »

i am lucky bowl at a brunswick house can throw brunswick nexxus all 3 games 5 men teams and not even move.plenty of oil.sometimes i throw my nuts solid.

Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #66 on:** September 23, 2013, 10:45:14 AM »

Week 3....

This week same volume of oil and short oil pattern....

YOU WANT BELEIVE THIS - They resurfaced the approaches.

and I had to make them announce it before someone killed themselves..

St. Croix · « **Reply #67 on:** September 23, 2013, 12:08:50 PM »

I bowl in a couple of later night leagues in the same house. God forbid, the house should re-oil the lanes during the evening, but I have never seen that happen. You start with a fairly light volume which goes downhill as the earlier leagues bowl. So going in, you generally know what to expect. I start with my Freeze and move left as needed. I have used my White Dot as a strike ball several times. You do what you must to knock down the pins.

As Trash Heap accurately noted, trying to increase speed has drawbacks (speaking for myself)---timing, balance, and accuracy issues. Many of the guys can tweak the speed. I have done it, too, but with uneven results.

No complaints here. I enjoy the sport, the social aspects, and the evenings out.

avabob · « **Reply #68 on:** September 23, 2013, 03:44:08 PM »

Bowling balls have no energy. They only have varying degrees of surface friction. Energy comes from the arm swing and fingers putting rotational energy on the ball.

12XSECH · « **Reply #69 on:** September 24, 2013, 07:30:54 AM »

There is a minimum required amount of lane oil for usbc sanctioned leagues...it is 3 units...which is actually nothing. The amount of oil for "glow bowling" is 12 units and for a "training pattern" it is 7 units. The kegal recreation patterns which are basically house shots....wall street, easy street, high street etc... all have about 18 units of oil. So if the AMF house that I am bowling at is putting out 7 units....That is less than 1/2 of a THS pattern. 2 questions, why would the USBC have a minimum of 3 units which is nothing and why would AMF not even put out a basic house shot for its league? Are they skimping that much to save 16 units of oil per lane? 1 unit is 7 millionths of an inch think. I found that info on google.

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 24, 2013, 07:51:22 AM »

I think you need to remember as long as they are in compliance which is probably less oil then you are seeing, there is nothing you can bitch about. My Friday night league is light and even worse, short. The scoring pace for a majority of the league has gone up. The 160 bowlers are now 180 and the 180 bowlers are now 200. I'm 210 and still at 210. It helps the average low rev need a ton if miss room bowlers. It is what it is. I hate it but I have no choice. I'm carrying a Platinum,SOS and taboo spare. Weakest lineup I've carried in 20 yrs

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #71 on:** September 24, 2013, 08:13:27 AM »

Quote from: vkowalski1970 on September 24, 2013, 07:51:22 AM

I think you need to remember as long as they are in compliance which is probably less oil then you are seeing, there is nothing you can bitch about. My Friday night league is light and even worse, short. The scoring pace for a majority of the league has gone up. The 160 bowlers are now 180 and the 180 bowlers are now 200. I'm 210 and still at 210. It helps the average low rev need a ton if miss room bowlers. It is what it is. I hate it but I have no choice.

This (in bold) is, without question, exactly correct.

I too am seeing a league with increased scoring, due to lighter and shorter oil.

I'm carrying a DV8 Diva with a 4 1/2 pin-to-pap, and ready to ball down to a shiny MoJave or shiny Karma Pink/Purple. My stronger stuff (Pursuit-S, IQTP at 2000 with a strong layout) doesn't even enter the building. I think 12XSECH needs to fill his arsenal out with a Misfit Pearl or a Strike King and find the correct layout and surface prep (UFO?) to meet what this (alleged) pattern is apparently DEMANDING.

Oh, and tape the lanes.

It's been real, I cannot add anything further than what I've previously stated.

trash heap · « **Reply #72 on:** September 24, 2013, 09:24:23 AM »

Just curious,

If a center puts less oil, and you have a ton of low rev bowlers using aggressive equipment, would this affect the lane surface more? I always thought the oil was placed to protect the lanes, if you take that protection away, it seems the lanes are going to be destroyed faster?

12XSECH · « **Reply #73 on:** September 24, 2013, 01:52:16 PM »

Trash,
On top of what I said earlier....not only are they using minimal oil, they are using an oil called "fire". Its a high friction oil. This does not make any sense. Why put out high friction oil (and a minimum of it) on a worn high friction surface? From my understanding they should be using an oil called "ice" oil. Its more slippery.

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #74 on:** September 24, 2013, 02:10:57 PM »

Ice oil is new and isn't used everywhere. It doesn't matter what oil they use as long as it meets requirements. It doesn't have to make sense to you at all. Or anyone else for that matter. It is what it is.

Ball down or look for another league.

Sleeve857 · « **Reply #75 on:** September 24, 2013, 02:52:51 PM »

As long as it meets the USBC requirements, they may used any type of oil they wish. Fire has a higher Viscosity(FIRE): 45.1 cps. compared to Ice Viscosity(ICE): 40.9 cps. Which means that the Fire oil will hold up even longer than Ice. Which is actually a good thing to have on patterns. Less moving throughout the night. Now your frictions numbers are actually very similar, Surface Tension (FIRE): 23.6 dynes/cm
Surface Tension (ICE): 23.2 dynes/cm. I would would simply choose Fire just due to the durability of the oil throughout the night. Plus oiling lanes is not the cheapest thing in the bowling center and when you are cutting cost, that is the first thing that gets altered or change to help with cost at a bowling center.

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