Author Topic: 1st league night, dry lanes (Read 19177 times)

12XSECH · « **on:** September 13, 2013, 07:16:38 AM »

AMF has been sold out...we all know this, but they are also putting out less volume of oil. our shot for league was a modified stone street...modified means hardly any oil i guess. My storm manic was way to much ball for this shot. All my other stuff is stronger, nightmare terror, reax, nightmare. What is a good ball for this light of volume? I like to stay within storm, dv8...My avg 216, 15 to 16 mph tweener...Thanks.

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #46 on:** September 18, 2013, 04:33:41 PM »

Exactly! If this guy was scoring like he usually does when he's bowling on The Great Wall, he wouldn't be bitching. Of course, if you read his other posts, you find out he throws hook monsters from DV8. Not exactly your dry lane ball brand, is it? But that's your MO isn't it, you go out and buy the latest and greatest hook ball as seen by your posts on here. REAX, Endless Nightmare, etc. You're a one-trick pony as evidenced by your low track, you need oil to keep the ball from reacting early as you don't know how to change your hand and release. BTW, is your house average 221 or 217? What about your sport average, you claim its 200 and then you say its 195?

Oh well, it wouldn't be BR without some laughable posts from some "great bowler and equally great businessman".

bltbyj · « **Reply #47 on:** September 18, 2013, 06:23:51 PM »

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on September 18, 2013, 04:33:41 PM

Exactly! If this guy was scoring like he usually does when he's bowling on The Great Wall, he wouldn't be bitching. Of course, if you read his other posts, you find out he throws hook monsters from DV8. Not exactly your dry lane ball brand, is it? But that's your MO isn't it, you go out and buy the latest and greatest hook ball as seen by your posts on here. REAX, Endless Nightmare, etc. You're a one-trick pony as evidenced by your low track, you need oil to keep the ball from reacting early as you don't know how to change your hand and release. BTW, is your house average 221 or 217? What about your sport average, you claim its 200 and then you say its 195?

Oh well, it wouldn't be BR without some laughable posts from some "great bowler and equally great businessman".

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on September 18, 2013, 04:33:41 PM

Exactly! If this guy was scoring like he usually does when he's bowling on The Great Wall, he wouldn't be bitching. Of course, if you read his other posts, you find out he throws hook monsters from DV8. Not exactly your dry lane ball brand, is it? But that's your MO isn't it, you go out and buy the latest and greatest hook ball as seen by your posts on here. REAX, Endless Nightmare, etc. You're a one-trick pony as evidenced by your low track, you need oil to keep the ball from reacting early as you don't know how to change your hand and release. BTW, is your house average 221 or 217? What about your sport average, you claim its 200 and then you say its 195?

Oh well, it wouldn't be BR without some laughable posts from some "great bowler and equally great businessman".

Lol! I roll DV8 as well and in no way can I use my nightmare or brutal nightmare. I have to start with my diva and by the end of game 1 I'm using my misfit pearl. I'm two weeks in and I've gone 715, 722 and yes the oil is lighter than last year.

batbowler · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2013, 11:50:17 PM »

Are most of you guys at an AMF house? The private owned house I bowl at has plenty of oil, the AMF house has next to nothing. I bowled on the end lanes last week and was able to walk up the side of the lane and see the oil. There was NONE outside of 5 and it ended at about 45 feet. Bone dry backend. When I used the Manic and swung it out, it looks like it ran into a brick wall then made a left turn. I was told before the season started that this new AMF / bowlmore is pinching pennies on everything including oil. So far this all seems to be true.

Darn, 45' is long oil and most THS doesn't have much if any oil outside of 5! Most THS are 38' to 42' and that's with Kegel machines and we have our machine to not oil the first 4" of the lane at the foul line so when the lane man wipes the approach, he doesn't drag oil onto the lane by accident. It also is for safety if somebody slides to much and goes over the foul line, they don't slip or drag oil back. Just my $.02, Bruce

astrodanco · « **Reply #49 on:** September 19, 2013, 12:42:22 AM »

Well guys, my scores have gone up with the less oil, um, way up. It's an easier shot for sure. League isn't a problem. It's practice time that's the problem. They're not just putting down less oil during league, but no oil at all at any other time. Come in on a Sunday morning to practice and there's been no oil applied since Friday. That would be fine and dandy if I needed to practice for such a rare condition, but I don't. That's not a league or tournament condition anywhere, hence I get nothing particularly useful out of practicing on it. I don't enjoy poking myself in the eye with a sharp stick either.

12XSECH · « **Reply #50 on:** September 19, 2013, 06:17:30 AM »

long gone,
avg'e change. Last year it dropped to 216, the year before it was 221. My sport ave went from 195 to 200. In 2001 it was around 200 etc... thanks for searching my posts! Is the Manic a hook monster? I like "hook monsters" because with polish you can tame them down. You cant take a weak ball and make them that strong. Plus....did you ever hear of drilling a strong ball weak? You probably didnt, but your the know it all. Sorry I dont have the high track like you....I bet you would beat me 10 out out of 10 times because your so great longgone! Everyone, Long gone daddy knows it all, just ask him! what a jackass you are.

Long Gone Daddy · « **Reply #51 on:** September 19, 2013, 06:38:35 AM »

Blah, blah, blah. Yes, you've come on here and told everybody how great you are and how you would beat everybody. Blah, blah, blah. What kind of shot would you beat everybody on, THS? We know it wouldnt be on dry lanes, don't we? Probably wouldn't be on a flood either. If somebody pulled a C-note out of his wallet and said "match it and let's bowl", your sphincter would tighten up so much you couldn't pull a needle thru it with a John Deere (that is if you could even scrounge up a hundred).
Have fun in your fantasy world.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #52 on:** September 19, 2013, 07:53:17 AM »

12XSECH,

You should look through this post and get the information you need, especially after 4 pages.

The Manic may not be a Vivid, but R2S isn't necessarily a weak cover (no one is calling the IQ Tour weak). And yes, you can drill a strong ball weak; but you never stated how your equipment was drilled. You can also drill weak stuff strong, so maybe your Manic is drilled too strong.

It is hard to gauge what an optimum solution would be. Your strong stuff (of which a lot of your equipment is) is too strong for the shot. You say your Manic is too strong also. Depending on the shot length, you may need a weak pearl or perhaps a urethane. But that might be too drastic of a drop based on your current arsenal.

And as others have stated, you may need to move out of your comfort zone on the lane to optimize your scoring. Doing so may allow you to use your current equipment long enough to see if the pattern you are seeing will continue into the cooler months.

12XSECH · « **Reply #53 on:** September 19, 2013, 08:34:44 AM »

Daddy.....buck up jackass. But you are a loser and would probably cheat for a 100 bucks. I would bet you don't even have 100 dollars. So shut your mouth loser because that's all you are and that's all you will ever be. You can't even comprehend what you read. Get your mommy to read for you. We all know you are the best bowler....you have the high track right...lol. you bowl on the scorpion... viper etc and avg 230 because you are great! Get over yourself moron. You are nothing more then a loser.

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #54 on:** September 19, 2013, 08:45:52 AM »

Quote from: 12XSECH on September 19, 2013, 06:17:30 AM

I like "hook monsters" because with polish you can tame them down

Wow........is that what polish does? Does it "tame it down"?

I'm suprised...I mean after all you've polished ("tamed down") your strong equipment (with weak layouts) and SOMEHOW / SOMEWAY you're having issues with the ball being too much. It HAS to be the lane condition that is the problem! ! !

12XSECH · « **Reply #55 on:** September 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM »

Good times....that's what this post is about....the lane condition....and polish doesn't make it stronger....makes it go longer....so yes. It tames it down.

milorafferty · « **Reply #56 on:** September 19, 2013, 09:49:16 AM »

It makes it go longer if there is oil, not on dry conditions.

Quote from: 12XSECH on September 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM

Good times....that's what this post is about....the lane condition....and polish doesn't make it stronger....makes it go longer....so yes. It tames it down.

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #57 on:** September 19, 2013, 09:55:33 AM »

Quote from: 12XSECH on September 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM

Good times....that's what this post is about....the lane condition....and polish doesn't make it stronger....makes it go longer....so yes. It tames it down.

1) I never said it makes it "stronger"

2) Again......wow. "makes it go longer" DOES NOT equal "tamed down". Those are entirely seperate concepts.

3) Go out and purchase a Breeze or a Strike King and have your driller recommend a good layout (based upon your specific specs) with a good cover prep.....then go out (with moving feet in mind as an option) and compare that to your polished, weak layout strong piece, on this specific light-oil condition.

scrub49 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 19, 2013, 10:21:28 AM »

I agree with Good Times I said earlier to get an Breeze or Strike KING I have both drilled with pin over the middle finger and they have been an life saver on the light oil lanes.

12XSECH · « **Reply #59 on:** September 19, 2013, 10:29:40 AM »

Good times,
Making it go longer does tame it down, Its not going to be hooking at the arrows. I like strong equipment, some I have drilled strong, others I have drilled weak. I bowl on house shots and I bowl in sport shot tournaments. The start of this thread was the lack of oil that AMF is putting out. Not about what adjustments I should make with my feet etc... Last year at this particular house my equipment worked fine except for the nightmare. This year, nothing worked due to the lack of oil. Last night I bought a Wrecker, had it drilled pin up and it worked great on this lanes right after they were oiled. Tonight is league night and I'll see how it works. The Wrecker is a strong ball considering its in Roto Grips H2 line up but it gave the length that the Manic and my other stuff didnt.

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #60 on:** September 19, 2013, 10:45:15 AM »

Quote from: 12XSECH on September 19, 2013, 10:29:40 AM

Good times, Making it go longer does tame it down, Its not going to be hooking at the arrows

You aren't fundamentally understanding the concept. Energy RETENTION is not "tamed down". "Tamed down" refers to overall strength.....the ball isn't necessarily losing energy, it is storing it for a different part of the lane.

Easier length thru the heads doesn't equal LESS STRENGTH as much as EARLIER read doesn't always equal MORE STRENGTH.

A wrecker is a step in the correct direction, but you still need to fill out your arsenal for more extreme conditions (in this situation the dry side). This is still a low volume THS you are describing.

What is your plan on true toast, with your arsenal, where the heads are REALLY smoked? (Think even LESS oil than what you are currently seeing)

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