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J_w73

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1st mass bias marked ball
« on: December 03, 2009, 09:12:32 AM »
Does anyone know what the first ball that utilized mass bias or asymmetric properties? Or the first ball sold with a marked MB /PSA...?? There was the AMF XS back in the early 90's.. The core is definitely asymmetric but I don't recall it being marketed as such or any different than any other ball out at the time.  I remember it having a different "reaction" than other balls that were out there.  I remember it also working really well for some and not at all for others as well.. does anyone know if it came with specific drilling instructions...

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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 05:35:08 PM »
brunswick phantom.

J_w73

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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 09:21:36 PM »
any idea what year this was...??

interesting in that it seemed that Brunswick was lagging in its asymmetric core technology compared to other manufacturers until recently...seemed like they didn't have any asymmetrics until a year and a half ago or so..
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 10:54:42 PM »
I think the Phantom was released in the early '90s.

Brunswick's asymmetric cores haven't been particularly exciting to look at, but they've kept up with most other manufacturers in terms of the mid-diff, at least over the last 5-8 years.  When everyone was releasing balls with 0.08-0.013" mid-diffs, so was Brunswick.  When most were bumping up to 0.015-0.02", Brunswick was right there.  Now that mid-diffs are pushing 0.03" like Morich's EZ Rev core, The Siege is there as well.

Again, they may not be real interesting to look at.  The Zone core they used for a few years was dull as dirt but was just as strong asymmetrically as the goofy cores Track was putting into Machines and Rules.

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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 10:57:46 PM »
brunswick phantom........abc approved september, 1991. i believe brunswick holds a united states patent on a bowling ball with a "preferred spin axis".......justrico, could you please verify this and add any relevant comments ?

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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 08:54:58 AM »
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There was the JPF Axe... built in axis if you drilled it accordingly.. Left handed and right handed versions of it... If you saw the core and put a locator pin through the part of the block that what is now known as the mass bias they  could've had a monster ball (drilled w/ what we know today).. At least w/ the Phantom you had a locator pin.. Too bad drillings weren't caught up w/ the technology on what to do w/ that ball..
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cant find much about this ball.. found a youtube video with a cutaway of the core.. kind of wacky looking.. but that looks like you could do some trick drillings with it..
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 10:43:11 AM »
The Axe was really only designed for one drilling and that was to line the pin up on the axis. The block looked like ice cream cones and had a small clear marking for the driller to line up the axis coordinates on. For lefties, there was an Axe marked LH so the mark was on the left side of the ball. Back then axis weighted balls were in almost every good players bag because of how well they rolled on the lane conditions of those times. Hammer was one of the first balls drilled this way and the Axe designer, John P. Fabanich, was Hammer before it became corporate.

The Phantom was the first one with the PSA marked like current balls. The training seminar also explained the usuage of flare reducing or enhancing weight holes. The Big B was way ahead of it''s time on this ball and ball drillers around here were completely confused for awhile on what and how to drill these balls. In the store I worked at, I must have watched the training video 6-10 times before I got a slight grasp on what to do since this was so new on the local level. I got out of the business for a few years while going to school and it never really sank in until the Hammer 3D Offset what these different PSA placements really did to ball reaction for me.

Mo put out some balls for AMF like the Sumo and Ninja in early 1992 that had marked mass bias locations also.

It is too bad that bowlingballreviews.com is out of commission because you could find some of these on there.

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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 10:54:00 AM »
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Mo put out some balls for AMF like the Sumo and Ninja in early 1992 that had marked mass bias locations also.

It is too bad that bowlingballreviews.com is out of commission because you could find some of these on there.

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The sumo and ninja were marked mass bias balls??.. I'll have to check it out cause I think my dad has a sumo in a closet somewhere..
I'm pretty sure it was just drilled up like any ordinary ball.. I don't remember anything about mass bias or asymmetric being talked about way back then in my area..
I was out of bowling for about 5 years but when did mass biased balls and asymmetric  drillings really take off ?? From what I recall I think it took off with Storm RAD balls.. That was kind of right when I got back into bowling..
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 10:55:57 AM »
Unless my memory is getting really bad, I thought they had a little Japanese symbol for the MB marking. We are talking a long time ago.
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 11:43:34 AM »
Then the cue ball white XS must have been Mo's first one marked.

My memory escaped me on those.
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 12:17:11 PM »
Why not go to BBE.com and ask MO himself??
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 12:28:27 PM »
I thought the 3-D offset was his first asymmetrical.
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 05:55:15 PM »
XS was asym but didn't have a marked MB.
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Re: 1st mass bias marked ball
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2009, 05:25:14 PM »
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XS was asym but didn't have a marked MB.
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 Correct. I have a NIB 14lb XS in my room with NO MB marking
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