If that happens in a plain hot bucket of water, then the water is way too hot, voiding warranties and damaging the ball.  We let the ball sit in the 120 degree water for 5-10 minutes to warm up first, and absolutely nothing happens until we turn the ultrasound on.  It gets deep into the pores of a ball, that's the point.  When compared to other products, the Detox is safer, easier to use, easier on the ball, and much more effective and efficient.  The boss did some extensive research and comparison testing before he bought it.  I've been doing this almost a decade myself, have seen and used everything, and this is by far the best method of oil extraction I've come across by a long shot. 

Quote from: Gizmo823 on May 05, 2014, 08:04:24 AM

If that happens in a plain hot bucket of water, then the water is way too hot, voiding warranties and damaging the ball.  We let the ball sit in the 120 degree water for 5-10 minutes to warm up first, and absolutely nothing happens until we turn the ultrasound on.  It gets deep into the pores of a ball, that's the point.  When compared to other products, the Detox is safer, easier to use, easier on the ball, and much more effective and efficient.  The boss did some extensive research and comparison testing before he bought it.  I've been doing this almost a decade myself, have seen and used everything, and this is by far the best method of oil extraction I've come across by a long shot. 

So it is essentially like a sonic toothbrush for bowling balls.

From a warranty perspective, I still don't see how this would be any different than scuffing a ball with 500 abralon and then soaking it in 120 degree hot water with some sort of dish soap.  Is the ultrasonic vibration created by the Detox truly substantial enough to vibrate the ball vigorously enough to shake out deeply embedded oil?  If it is that substantial, what does repeated, prolonged ultrasonic shaking of the core do in conjunction with the heat?  Any potential cracking or core separation issues down the road?  I know that bowling balls are tough, but they are not initially designed for exposure to ultrasonic vibration.

I see the thumb hole remains dry during the process, but the finger holes are submerged.  I wouldn't want to throw a ball cleaned by this or any other soaking method immediately after the cleaning was done.  Water tends to get trapped around the finger inserts and when you throw the ball water will fling out everywhere.  I have seen this happen even 2 days after a ball was soaked and seemingly dry.

Bowling ball ovens only exceed manufacturer's temperatures when the operator allows it.  Water baths only exceed manufacturer's temperatures when the operator allows it.  (etc...)  Are you saying the Detox does not allow the operator to exceed manufacturer's temperatures?  The website says 125°F, but is that as hot as it gets?

I am not trying to discredit the machine.  It seems like a great tool.  I am just looking at it as I would anything else I review in my field.  I wonder, if the ball is being cleaned by ultrasonic cleaning and the "accelerator", the why does the ball need to be heated in the first place?  Ultrasonic machines use the concept of cavitation for cleaning purposes.  I have seen the long term effects of cavitation on metal, I just hope there aren't any long term effects on bowling ball covers.  I doubt it since my industry deals in longer periods of time of cavitition, but you never know.

Bowling ball ovens still exceed warranty temperatures.  Spinner and a cleaner won't get nearly as deep as the Detox can get it. 

Safer equals a much lower temperature and shorter exposure to that temperature.  As a ball is heated, it expands.  The more and longer it's heated, the more it expands and the more of the ball expands.  When it cools, it shrinks.  Shorter duration and lower temperature means the ball expands very little, meaning less contraction when cooled, and less overall shock on the bowling ball.  Since my day job literally revolves around trying to control expansion and contraction and minimizing temperature shock to prevent stress and cracking, expansion and contraction is a lot bigger deal than you may think. 

More effective in the sense that it deep cleans the pores, deeper than cleaner on a spinner can get.

Again, shorter window of exposure to higher temperature, less shock to the ball. 

I'm not associated with Jayhawk in any way.  I'm not getting commission, I'm not selling anything, I'm simply a person using a product.  Again, I've seen it all and used it all.  Adding in what I know about the effects of temperature change and shock to a solid multi-component object, it easily is the best oil extraction option on the market by a fairly wide margin, and I feel very strongly about that, so that's why I'm being so vocal about it.  Sorry if it sounds like an infomercial . . but I've got a lot of experience with all facets of the process, and while maybe not revolutionary, it's definitely a huge improvement or advancement. 

Quote from: Drinyth on May 05, 2014, 10:25:59 AM

Quote from: Gizmo823 on May 05, 2014, 08:04:24 AM

When compared to other products, the Detox is safer, easier to use, easier on the ball, and much more effective and efficient.

I don't really see how the Detox is "safer, easier to use, easier on the ball, and much more effective" than say a bowling ball oven (one designed to extract oil from balls - not cook a casserole) and a bowling ball spinner and cleaner.

Safer?  I fail to see how.

Easier to use:  I think we're splitting hairs.  If you're talking about saving a step between having to clean the ball and extract the oil out in separate steps, we're talking about an extra 30 seconds of work here.  It's pretty minor.  And that doesn't count the added work to empty/refill the Detox when the water gets overly cloudy.

Easier on the ball: Again, I don't really see how.  Once the ball gets to temperature it stays there.  Is exposing the ball to temperatures of 120 degrees for 30 minutes really any easier on the ball than letting it sit at 120 degrees for an hour or two?  As long as the ball maintains within the manufacturers specified safe range, I would think that no harm is being done to the ball.

More effective:  In what way?  You said in another post that you weren't sure that the Detox would actually pull any more oil out than an oven?  In what way is it more effective than an oven oil extraction unit and a ball spinner to clean the ball?

More efficient:  I'll give you that one.   Mainly for the fact that the Detox would seem to be able to do a complete oil extraction faster than an oven would be able to.

Don't get me wrong.  I believe the product likely works as advertised and I hope Jayhawk does well selling the units.  But the way you've been touting the product is making it sound like this is a revolutionary product that makes all its predecessors obsolete.  It's just a bit over the top with an infomercial like feel to it which kind of rubs me the wrong way.  Maybe it's just me.

It is pretty neat that the unit can do a full oil extraction *and* cleaning in 30 minutes time where traditional methods could take up to 2+ hours for the same job.  But I don't buy the whole easier, safer, effective sales pitch.  Now if someone were to show an oil logged ball that had the oil extracted via conventional methods with no more oil leeching out.  Then took that same ball and placed it into the Detox, and the Detox was able to extract even *more* oil out... now that would be something to brag about!