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agroves

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ball death......never happens
« on: December 29, 2003, 07:42:50 AM »
I am about 95% positive that I have never had a ball die on me.  I have owned quite a few urethane, particles and reactives during my short life.  I am quite positive that none of them have died.  However, almost all did lost some reaction but does anything perform the way it did when it was new???  I can't think of many things that never show signs of wear and tear.  

I have an HPD that I got from SrKegler (thinks man) that has hundreds of games on it.  My heavy oil ball is 2 HPH's.  I don't have anything made in the past couple years that I throw on a regular basis except the Fuze Igniter.  I am please with all my particle equipment.  I take care of them by cleaning them with orange clean 409 after every set and resanding the cover at least once a month.  I don't even use Trizact on them and the reaction is still there.  However, I do have them Trizact once a year.

Has anyone else never had a ball die or is it just me??  Oh, by the way almost everything I have thrown the past couple of years has been Big B or Ebonite.  I don't and won't throw anything from Columbia or Track.

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crankncrash

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2003, 11:13:40 PM »
Columbia equals super freaky death as soon as there is a TRACK on the ball!

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2003, 12:07:41 AM »
i had a older buzzsaw, after about 5,000 games it just took a dump.
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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2003, 12:45:55 AM »
My Trauma ER has lost a lot of reaction.  I used to be able to swing it quite a bit, but now I can only play up the boards.  It's good ball for that on my house shot, but it's no longer as versitile as it used to be.

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2003, 01:06:52 AM »
I had that same problem with my ER.no matter what i did to the ball it just wasnt even close to what it use to be.the last time i used it i had it sanded down to 320 and it still only moved 3 boards.

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2003, 01:45:53 AM »
Many good bowlers don't understand a lot of things.  Sometimes a full resurface will do wonders for a ball.  If a ball has a pronounced track or is sanded too rough, it will hook early, use up it's energy and have nothing left for the backend.  Put the same ball in a Haus machine to make sure it's perfectly round, sand it to 600-800 grit and apply a light coat of polish and it will hook on the backend (like too many bowlers expect of their heavy oil balls, but that's another subject).

I do believe in ball death however.  Some balls soak up oil (Columbia's TEC covers - proven), some covers are almost impossible to resurface (Columbia and Track's Holoflex/Pegaxis), while others just seem to hook and hit much less than when new.  I personally believe that oil absorption and excessive wear from throwing the balls on too dry of conditions (maybe backends that are too clean) are too blame.  I know they sound contradictory, but both may happen.  I've seen a lot of people have sucess with Doc's Elixir, so oil absorption must be a factor.  I've also seen many people insist on throwing the latest hook monster when I'm covering plenty of boards with a Beast Pearl.  They have to be punishing the "studs" on their tires.
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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2003, 03:35:29 AM »
The original Apex was a GREAT ball for about 100 games then dropped dead.Reaction gone and hit like a dried up turd.Tried everything but unable to revive it.
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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2003, 03:43:49 AM »
All balls lose reaction over time, some become merely smoother, milder, essentially urethane balls, some actually become totally dead.  Even most standard urethane balls will "track out" if used for too many games without a resurface. Some balls can be largely brought back to life with an effective cleaning and resurfacing.  Other balls....well, Voodoo incantations and the height of technology can't revive them.  
 
What really happens is that balls lose their "reaction" -- i.e., the hard turn at the end that marks aggressive balls.  This loss in reaction is less noticeable if you: (a) are relatively heavy handed and (b) prefer equipment that arcs.  Frankly, I can hook the lane with plastic balls on many top hats, so if you are on an ordinary house top hat, you won't notice the loss of reaction as much as you might on a more uniform oil pattern.

Finally, the loss of reaction seems to vary from coverstock to coverstock and indeed from ball to ball.  Some Brunswick coverstocks seem to have greater shelf life than most other coverstocks.  Dynothane's new "soaker" coverstock seems essentially indestructable so long as you keep it relatively clean and resurface it after a reasonable number of games (around every 150).  So all balls die and most pretty severely, after a number of games -- even the manufacturers admit it.
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SrKegler

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2003, 07:50:30 AM »
I got Cherry Pearl from Agroves.  Swapped him for the HPD he's talking about.  Ball has well over 1000 games on it.  I clean mine after every set with Hook-it, recoat with Docs Elixer every 25 games or so.  

Like Andrew, I haven't had a ball quit on me.

I did see Trimman's predator before he rejuvenated it.  Ball would make a small move in the mids and then just die.

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2003, 07:58:20 AM »
I agree with the poster on the Nitro R2.  I've had mine resurfaced twice, and still breaks hard for me even with not a lot of hand.  I personally think it is how you take care of the ball and where you keep it.  Putting it in the back seat when it is 10 below out while you are at work might not help matters much.
I'm interested to how the particle balls hold up.  I'm getting an Assault drilled today, my first venture into the world of particle.  Hope it holds up just as well and is just as easy to maintain as the resin.

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2003, 03:05:07 AM »
ONe thing to remember is you have a difficult time telling you ball changing reaction because you see it every day.Take an example of a friend, he can gain a pound or 2 every week for 5 weeks and he will have substantial changed in size (I am going on an averaged size person), but do you notice right away?  No, because you see him every day you don't notice this subtle changes.  Now take someone you havent seen in a couple of month, like on vacation from school or vacation from work.  They have gained 10-12 pounds since you last seen them.  You will be more inclined to notice because the last time you saw them 10 pounds has changed, while your friend or even a child has only changed at most a pound or two, so your vision of him/her is the same.

NOw look at your bowling ball.  You have last seen the reaction the last time you threw it.  YOu bowl 3 games, then you bowl 3 more games and the reaction looks similiar to those 3 games.  Keep going till 300 games, you have difficulties noticing the difference.  NOw completely resurface the ball.  The last time you saw the ball in this condition was over 300 games ago.  You will notice a difference.

Add to this, that the conditions may change with many other variables, and its just simply hard to identify the "ball death".   The walls that the houses put out make it extremely difficult to pinpoint the loss of reaction in the equipment.  With the major miss area provided, the ball reaction will look similar to other shots.  On a flat or sport pattern you would be able to distinguish the difference. I trust those with experience in this matter and that has done extensive research on it over all of us that are  making an observation with the casual eye.  



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LuckyLefty

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Re: ball death......never happens
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2003, 05:42:47 AM »
I've been very careful with Columbia Particles.

Had great luck with Brunswick particles.
If not peppy Trizact and they are right back to life!

Never really had a reactive die!

Recently switched to all scotch brite for surface work and I'm much more confident of longevity!

Went to my local Napa Store!!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS Scotch brite for me also does a MUCH better job at surface work, both speed and quality.  I'm 3 times faster twice the quality!
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