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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 05:20:25 PM »
Thanks for sharing. Good video.

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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 06:10:58 PM »
My initial thought is that the theme will be to control the lane (especially early) with regard to some hyper wet/dry.  Short"er" pattern in team with some good volume and flat on a brand new lane surface.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 08:30:19 PM »
That team pattern is going to be tough, shorter and more volume, and flatter overall. Not to say good teams won't find ways to hit it but i'm not expecting as many to hit as did last year.

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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 08:47:02 PM »
I see a lot of Venom Shocks and Tour Nanos on deck.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2015, 07:28:51 AM »
I see a lot of pin down layouts on solid coverstock balls.  Have to control the backends for sure with these patterns
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2015, 07:34:34 AM »
I initially thought it was going to be much more difficult this year, just looking at the patterns.  All it's doing is returning a significant advantage to the more skilled players.  These patterns can be opened up well.  Any time you have predictable, consistent hook in the middle of the lane, all you need to do is create a hook spot outside the track.  There is plenty of head oil to let you get a handful at the bottom, and you know it's going to hook, so once you build some friction outside, you should be good to go.  Won't be as easy as last year definitely, but I see a lot of potential this year out of patterns that on paper look much tougher than last year. 
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2015, 09:03:58 AM »
I initially thought it was going to be much more difficult this year, just looking at the patterns.  All it's doing is returning a significant advantage to the more skilled players.  These patterns can be opened up well.  Any time you have predictable, consistent hook in the middle of the lane, all you need to do is create a hook spot outside the track.  There is plenty of head oil to let you get a handful at the bottom, and you know it's going to hook, so once you build some friction outside, you should be good to go.  Won't be as easy as last year definitely, but I see a lot of potential this year out of patterns that on paper look much tougher than last year. 

I really think while you are correct that it will bring the advantage to the skilled players the fact that there is quite a bit of volume on a short pattern is going to make for some very interesting transitions. The lack of length is going to cause a lack of hold in the team event when you consider the flatness of the pattern.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2015, 09:38:32 AM »
Yes, this is also why I think people are going to be using a LOT weaker equipment than everyone thinks.  Use some really aggressive balls to create a track and then go super weak and bump it.  You're going to need weak and smooth, with the angles you're going to have to play with the sharp wet/dry from oil to backend, stuff that hooks is going to burn up on the turn and carry is going to be tough.  Call me crazy, but I think about game 2 or halfway through it, people may be using urethane.  D&S it appears like you'll be able to keep chasing deeper and not have many issues, but Team is going to be the rough shot this year.  I know I'll be taking a Supernatural, and I think the Ride might actually be the ball that wins bracket finals this year.  Hook potential isn't going to be the key this year, controlling the backend transition will be.  I bet you see people having success with everything from the Crux to urethane this year, don't really think there's going to be an "it" ball like there usually is. 

I initially thought it was going to be much more difficult this year, just looking at the patterns.  All it's doing is returning a significant advantage to the more skilled players.  These patterns can be opened up well.  Any time you have predictable, consistent hook in the middle of the lane, all you need to do is create a hook spot outside the track.  There is plenty of head oil to let you get a handful at the bottom, and you know it's going to hook, so once you build some friction outside, you should be good to go.  Won't be as easy as last year definitely, but I see a lot of potential this year out of patterns that on paper look much tougher than last year. 

I really think while you are correct that it will bring the advantage to the skilled players the fact that there is quite a bit of volume on a short pattern is going to make for some very interesting transitions. The lack of length is going to cause a lack of hold in the team event when you consider the flatness of the pattern.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2015, 09:46:11 AM »
You and I seem to be on the exact same page, I'm going in almost a guinea pig (bowl the 14-15) I'll post up a pretty detailed report on what mistakes I made and what I saw as I did last year. Hopefully people can learn from my experiences, I just don't have anywhere near the expectations that I did the past two years for scoring already, but you never know.

I also have a group practice session this Saturday at a local house that has a flex machine and ice oil so hopefully I'll get a little clarity from that as well.

Yes, this is also why I think people are going to be using a LOT weaker equipment than everyone thinks.  Use some really aggressive balls to create a track and then go super weak and bump it.  You're going to need weak and smooth, with the angles you're going to have to play with the sharp wet/dry from oil to backend, stuff that hooks is going to burn up on the turn and carry is going to be tough.  Call me crazy, but I think about game 2 or halfway through it, people may be using urethane.  D&S it appears like you'll be able to keep chasing deeper and not have many issues, but Team is going to be the rough shot this year.  I know I'll be taking a Supernatural, and I think the Ride might actually be the ball that wins bracket finals this year.  Hook potential isn't going to be the key this year, controlling the backend transition will be.  I bet you see people having success with everything from the Crux to urethane this year, don't really think there's going to be an "it" ball like there usually is. 

I initially thought it was going to be much more difficult this year, just looking at the patterns.  All it's doing is returning a significant advantage to the more skilled players.  These patterns can be opened up well.  Any time you have predictable, consistent hook in the middle of the lane, all you need to do is create a hook spot outside the track.  There is plenty of head oil to let you get a handful at the bottom, and you know it's going to hook, so once you build some friction outside, you should be good to go.  Won't be as easy as last year definitely, but I see a lot of potential this year out of patterns that on paper look much tougher than last year. 

I really think while you are correct that it will bring the advantage to the skilled players the fact that there is quite a bit of volume on a short pattern is going to make for some very interesting transitions. The lack of length is going to cause a lack of hold in the team event when you consider the flatness of the pattern.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2015, 01:01:39 PM »
Double post, but here is Riggs blog https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/7308 on the patterns.

Great insight from a very experienced and unbiased Eagle winner.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2015, 01:30:59 PM »
Very good article.  I still think the pattern can be opened up nicely, but it's going to take all 10 people on a pair doing it the right way like he says.  I think the score that wins team is higher than he says, but not by much.  Create a track, get on top of it with weak stuff, and beat the pocket.  Don't try to carry, don't try to create entry angle, hit the pocket and pick up easy spares.  1800 this year is going to be impressive, this is going to be a grind it out year.  You shoot 200 every game and you're going to win some serious bracket money. 

Double post, but here is Riggs blog https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/7308 on the patterns.

Great insight from a very experienced and unbiased Eagle winner.
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2015, 11:21:28 PM »
was on the team pattern tonight.
1.6-1 ratio
tough pattern, plays from multiple angles
no matter where you play, you have to be soft and hit your target
very little miss room IMO
ball surface is very important
it seems like the condition is very release sensitive from what i saw tonight
the good teams will excel as usual

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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2015, 07:01:38 AM »
IMO....with the shorter patterns and increased volume; this may be a time where throwing plastic up the middle to create hold may be better than trying to carve up the track.  If we are already going to have hook; then why try to create more hook?  Why would we not try and create some hold area?  If team is 10 minutes practice; spend the first 5-7 minutes throwing plastic and then switch to your normal strike ball for the last few minutes. 

If I go out there this year; that is going to be the plan of attack I am going to talk my team into doing.  Thing is; I wont be going until the first weekend in June.  So I wouldnt be able to go out and bowl and then share my experience on here to really give most of everyone on here an idea as to how that will work out. 
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Re: 2015 USBC Open Championship Lane Conditions REVEALED!
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2015, 08:01:17 AM »
Good luck with that.  The pattern is too short for that to work with the little bit of time there is for practice.  There won't be as much hook as you think with 27 ml on a new lane surface.