Good luck with that.  The pattern is too short for that to work with the little bit of time there is for practice.  There won't be as much hook as you think with 27 ml on a new lane surface.

I was thinking the Same thing....

Like itsallaboutme said, new surface, heavy oil up front, you're going to get really easy push, PLUS they're using Ice, you're going to need friction to throw at or to get the ball moving earlier, plus something smooth to blend out the transition.  It may not be sharp, small misses left may not jump, but it's going to go high.  I suppose it depends on where you like your miss room.  I'd rather know I've got friction to throw at, and on this pattern, there isn't going to be much.  Misses right will be gone, and misses left will simply overhook.  This is a pattern that will force physical mistakes.  One goes a little right and doesn't make it back, you grab the next one, rev it harder, or get soft with your speed and it goes high.  It's one of those patterns where a lot of shots look like they might be ok right until the end where the ball either goes a bit high or doesn't quite make it back. 

Like I said before, angle will not be your friend unless you're Pete Weber.  Tight angles, staying close to the pocket with something really smooth, hook isn't something I think you really want much of, just want enough to give you enough punch on the backend to kick 10s out.  Burn a track, go to something weak and stay on top of the burn.  Trying to go with too much hook will just cause problems, because misses left will definitely hook, but as heavy as it is in the front, you aren't going to have the miss room right that you may think.  You miss a little right early and I don't care how aggressive the ball is, it won't make it back.  I think a lot of people will definitely overthink their options.  Too many people will try to create angle on the backend and I think that's exactly what's going to hurt them. 

IMO....with the shorter patterns and increased volume; this may be a time where throwing plastic up the middle to create hold may be better than trying to carve up the track.  If we are already going to have hook; then why try to create more hook?  Why would we not try and create some hold area?  If team is 10 minutes practice; spend the first 5-7 minutes throwing plastic and then switch to your normal strike ball for the last few minutes. 

If I go out there this year; that is going to be the plan of attack I am going to talk my team into doing.  Thing is; I wont be going until the first weekend in June.  So I wouldnt be able to go out and bowl and then share my experience on here to really give most of everyone on here an idea as to how that will work out.

I fully expect people to be throwing urethane too, but not because it's going to be dry.  I'm talking about burning up the track around 10, and then using urethane to play straight over the top of it or just bumping it a bit.  Deeper than 3rd arrow too early is going to cause problems.  There IS going to be plenty of friction, but in places that it's going to cause problems.  If you miss right early, it's not coming back, period.  If you miss in a bit, it's going to hook.  You're going to need some extra friction to the right, the pattern is just super tight laterally. 

Quote from: ITZPS on March 06, 2015, 09:48:29 AM

Like itsallaboutme said, new surface, heavy oil up front, you're going to get really easy push, PLUS they're using Ice, you're going to need friction to throw at or to get the ball moving earlier, plus something smooth to blend out the transition.  It may not be sharp, small misses left may not jump, but it's going to go high.  I suppose it depends on where you like your miss room.  I'd rather know I've got friction to throw at, and on this pattern, there isn't going to be much.  Misses right will be gone, and misses left will simply overhook.  This is a pattern that will force physical mistakes.  One goes a little right and doesn't make it back, you grab the next one, rev it harder, or get soft with your speed and it goes high.  It's one of those patterns where a lot of shots look like they might be ok right until the end where the ball either goes a bit high or doesn't quite make it back. 

Like I said before, angle will not be your friend unless you're Pete Weber.  Tight angles, staying close to the pocket with something really smooth, hook isn't something I think you really want much of, just want enough to give you enough punch on the backend to kick 10s out.  Burn a track, go to something weak and stay on top of the burn.  Trying to go with too much hook will just cause problems, because misses left will definitely hook, but as heavy as it is in the front, you aren't going to have the miss room right that you may think.  You miss a little right early and I don't care how aggressive the ball is, it won't make it back.  I think a lot of people will definitely overthink their options.  Too many people will try to create angle on the backend and I think that's exactly what's going to hurt them. 

Quote from: TWOHAND834 on March 06, 2015, 07:01:38 AM

IMO....with the shorter patterns and increased volume; this may be a time where throwing plastic up the middle to create hold may be better than trying to carve up the track.  If we are already going to have hook; then why try to create more hook?  Why would we not try and create some hold area?  If team is 10 minutes practice; spend the first 5-7 minutes throwing plastic and then switch to your normal strike ball for the last few minutes. 

If I go out there this year; that is going to be the plan of attack I am going to talk my team into doing.  Thing is; I wont be going until the first weekend in June.  So I wouldnt be able to go out and bowl and then share my experience on here to really give most of everyone on here an idea as to how that will work out.

I see what you all are saying.  I am not saying to do that so we can move in to 4th arrow and throw it out to 5-6-7.  I think a lot also depends on who you are bowling with.  If most of the guys are rev rates less than 325, then I agree with breaking down the outside.  But if you have a team with a couple 500+ rev rates; they should be able to create motion anyway from the track area.  SO I would think you would want your miss room inside to create hold. 

The team I would be going out with is a combination of styles.  We have a couple down and inners and a couple with 500 rev rates; including myself.  I plan on taking 1 skid/flip piece for if I need to move way in.  Other than that; I plan on taking a Deep Freeze and a Arson Low Flare Solid.  My plan is to go straighter with my angles. 

I averaged 210 over the first 12 years out there.  The one year I got caught up in the "stay to the right and break them down"; I proceeded to shoot 1500 AE because I could not control my breakpoint and that was even using an Enigma at 2000 abralon.  I am not doing that again.  That was a major learning lesson for me.  I tried to do the "right thing" and it didnt work.

Yes they are using the Ice oil and on a fresh lane surface.  BUT......it is 38 feet which means there is 22 feet of dry backends.  I believe there is plenty of friction on the backend as long as you dont throw it 22 mph.  My release is around 18mph but can drop it down to 16 pretty easily if I need to.  My pro shop guy says with that length of pattern; he would not be surprised if at some point people are going to use urethane.

Urethane usually only works if you can go very straight and avoid too much carrydown.  I think the carrydown will kill urethane on that pattern.  Not bowling it this year, but if I was I would look at playing up about 8 on the fresh with my IQ.  At 38 feet I still see a transition in.  This is the kind of pattern that has caused the tour guys to all go up the back of the ball. 

Good points.  I think our house shot is 38 feet, is much drier, and I usually use pretty strong equipment.  Plus we use Defy instead of Ice, Defy plays drier.  Really depends on how sharp the transition is.  Plenty enough oil to stay relaxed and focus on your release without having to worry about getting it down the lane.  Getting ahead of myself I think. 

Something else I hadn't quite thought through, with that volume, you could have all 10 players working together and it would take all of practice and most likely the entire first game to burn a usable track.  Seems like the crafty devils at USBC are hoping to lessen the effect of strategy and putting a premium on shotmaking this year. 

Unfortunately I think I'm going to have a hard time simulating the shot.  We have a machine capable of laying it down, but our surface is high friction, and Defy plays pretty dry also.  Shots here are usually playable 3-4 boards right of where they play most other places.  Straight up 7 on Mexico City here is a pretty good line . .

Won't know much until the first live stream on Sunday.  Not being in Reno throws a wrench in there too, everything plays pretty similar in Reno. 

People may use urethane.  The people on the leader boards won't.  Good bowlers know how to control the change of direction of their ball and 38 feet isn't short enough to force them into balls that weak.

I have a team practice session at my local house, kegel machine, ice oil. Only big difference is lane surface being a little higher friction compared to what they will have in El Paso. Will be nice to just practice on something flat for a while.

Taking a whole bunch of equipment with (got 8 in my truck and have room for more lol)

Pattern is flatter, but ball doesn't seem to boom off the end of the oil as much on ice.  At 38 feet I think you will have free hook for a few shots in practice, but the outside will tighten down a bunch real quickly.  With 7 loads 2 to 2, urethane isn't going to work for very long outside.  The pattern can probably be attacked from multiple angles depending on style, but stay direct.  Last year was by far the longest pattern ever used at 43 feet.  It was also the only year that you could make use of the hold a bit.   39 feet has been more common over the years, so 38 feet isn't that much shorter.  Biggest problem is always with guys getting too deep and blowing up the middles right away.

Pattern is flatter, but ball doesn't seem to boom off the end of the oil as much on ice.  At 38 feet I think you will have free hook for a few shots in practice, but the outside will tighten down a bunch real quickly.  With 7 loads 2 to 2, urethane isn't going to work for very long outside.  The pattern can probably be attacked from multiple angles depending on style, but stay direct.  Last year was by far the longest pattern ever used at 43 feet.  It was also the only year that you could make use of the hold a bit.   39 feet has been more common over the years, so 38 feet isn't that much shorter.  Biggest problem is always with guys getting too deep and blowing up the middles right away.

Natural reaction of the the typical meathead is to go to shiny stuff and move left too early.