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bowl4jc

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Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« on: December 19, 2007, 01:00:02 AM »
Looking for a good solid ball for a medium house shot oiled say 38-40 feet with fresh backends that will still work on carrydown.  I am considering the Morich LevRg, the Black widow solid, and the Ebonite the ONe.  Which ball would you suggest most?
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 09:03:36 AM »
Though not on your list, I would consider the Roto-Grip Mystic.  The light load particle will help get through the carrydown.
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 09:07:18 AM »
I would agree with the Mystic.  Very underrated ball, from my observations.
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2007, 09:11:05 AM »
For most people, the LevRG and BW will handle more than medium oil.  Some carrydown should not be a problem for them.  If the shot is still medium after being carried down, you might be able to use those two.

The One, as shiny as it is, will likely be kinda squirty on carrydown.  It is more of a medium-oil ball than the others, though.

I'd go with something like a Sidewinder or Pyro.  If you're real partial to Ebonite and Hammer, I might try the Raid or Gamebreaker instead.

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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 11:49:55 AM »
Can someone please explain the physics behind a ball clearing the "medium" oil up front, but somehow reading the carrydown?
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 11:59:37 AM »
I like my polished TS&A drilled to have a sharp break point for medium oil. Doesn't matter about carry down for this ball with the layout it just turns no matter what and our THS is a 40' pattern.
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 12:19:52 PM »
I think it depends on what ball you are using that is NOT handling the carrydown. Too much depends on your own personal release and ball speed; everyone is different to a greater or lesser degree.

I can't see how anyone can suggest a ball to you except the one that enables them PERSONALLY to handle carrydown on their medium condition. What they may use may not be appropriate for you.

For example: If I'm using a Mercury and then carrydwon happens, I may use a Venus or a Saturn.

If you are using a Black Widow, you may need to move to No Mercy or a LevRG.
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2007, 12:27:15 PM »
I would like to try to answer this....

This is my opinion.....on a top hat when carrydown appears one must often move wide or tighten up the line!

Balls with strong mass bias and good strong flare potential often tend to handle the wetness of the carrydown better as the flare built into these strong cores tends to have the ball continuing to hit a dry patch of coverstock as the ball churns to the hole.

Balls like the old Pulse that tend to flare less and handle nationals shots better when fresh, harsh transitions, fresh oil conditions with flying backends etc as the reduced flare potential has one hitting the same old spot with a little oil from previous revs and also falls less or flares less (less distance between each flare ring) as the ball moves towards the pocket.

So my general rule is fresh conditions I like the lower flare stuff or strong stuff drilled weak.  

Wettish backend conditions the newer high power cores do seem to plow right there with often small adjustments of the feet!  A strong mass bias setting seems to also allow one to carry easier while inside with the feet!

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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 10:37:18 PM »
Hole Finder Pearl might be something to look at or Awesome Flip or Finish
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2007, 07:52:50 AM »
quote:
I would like to try to answer this....

This is my opinion.....on a top hat when carrydown appears one must often move wide or tighten up the line!

Balls with strong mass bias and good strong flare potential often tend to handle the wetness of the carrydown better as the flare built into these strong cores tends to have the ball continuing to hit a dry patch of coverstock as the ball churns to the hole.

Balls like the old Pulse that tend to flare less and handle nationals shots better when fresh, harsh transitions, fresh oil conditions with flying backends etc as the reduced flare potential has one hitting the same old spot with a little oil from previous revs and also falls less or flares less (less distance between each flare ring) as the ball moves towards the pocket.

So my general rule is fresh conditions I like the lower flare stuff or strong stuff drilled weak.  

Wettish backend conditions the newer high power cores do seem to plow right there with often small adjustments of the feet!  A strong mass bias setting seems to also allow one to carry easier while inside with the feet!

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The problem with extremly fresh backends is typically low flaring balls tend to have too much length and extreme backend. Almost need something that will flare up a good bit to dispose energy before it hits the fresh dry.

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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2007, 07:54:49 AM »
tsunami..best ball for medium house shot with carry down...
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2007, 08:04:06 AM »
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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2007, 08:50:14 AM »
quote:

The problem with extremly fresh backends is typically low flaring balls tend to have too much length and extreme backend. Almost need something that will flare up a good bit to dispose energy before it hits the fresh dry.

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It still depends on the ball. I often have used the Legends Big Kahuna to handle carrydown on medium oil. It is is not a big hooking ball, the way I have it drilled, and with its particle coverstock, VERY lightly polished, it deals with medium oil + carrydown with no trouble. It is a low flaring ball, 3-4" max, less so when I use a stroker release.

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Re: Ball for mediums that will still handle carrydown
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2007, 08:53:10 AM »
Meanwhile, bowl4jc still has not commented. He even sent me a message and I asked the exact same question that I posted above: what are you using now?

For whatever reason he still has not yet replied. Without further input, bowl4jc, you're not going to get a truly useful answer.
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