Post by: blackburn1436 on January 22, 2009, 03:08:50 AM
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LETS GOOOOO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Kid Jete on January 22, 2009, 11:17:50 AM
Post by: six pack on January 22, 2009, 11:17:54 AM
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: Kid Jete on January 22, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
Post by: Kid Jete on January 22, 2009, 11:19:44 AM
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I mix in a windex bottle,1 part S.G. 1 part H2o and a 10% acetone.in another bottle I have H2o to rinse the ball after cleaning with the S.G.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Don't use acetone is will soften the cover and can lead to ball death, not to mention it's illegal.
Post by: six pack on January 22, 2009, 11:27:53 AM
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I mix in a windex bottle,1 part S.G. 1 part H2o and a 10% acetone.in another bottle I have H2o to rinse the ball after cleaning with the S.G.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Don't use acetone is will soften the cover and can lead to ball death, not to mention it's illegal.
Yeah right. what's this ball death I keep hearing about? 15 years of bowling I have not yet experienced this "ball death".
I've also used ABC approved cleaner that would melt the rubber gloves I was using. 10% acetone won't do any harm IMO.but you can skip the acetone if you want.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: Kid Jete on January 22, 2009, 11:31:44 AM
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I mix in a windex bottle,1 part S.G. 1 part H2o and a 10% acetone.in another bottle I have H2o to rinse the ball after cleaning with the S.G.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Don't use acetone is will soften the cover and can lead to ball death, not to mention it's illegal.
Yeah right. what's this ball death I keep hearing about? 15 years of bowling I have not yet experienced this "ball death".
I've also used ABC approved cleaner that would melt the rubber gloves I was using. 10% acetone won't do any harm IMO.but you can skip the acetone if you want.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
I wouldn't assume it would cause ball death but it can soften the cover and I have heard of people killing the reaction when they accidently used an all purpose cleaner with acetone. Plus like I said it's also against the rules set by the USBC. If you don't care about any of those things then by all means use it. I would rather be safe than sorry and there's a lot of good cleaners out there that work better and are made for bowling balls. Most approved ball cleaners main ingrediant is isoproyl alcohol.
Post by: six pack on January 22, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
I've also used other USBC/ABC approved ball cleaners on my spinner that would soften the cover,my mixture doesn't soften the cover,won't even melt the windex bottle that it sits in.not like I was soaking a ball in a drum of acetone.it's the only way I can clean belt marks and white scuffs from the pins,Iso won't clean marks and just smears the oil around,IMO
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: Kid Jete on January 22, 2009, 11:59:27 AM
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that's fine,can you tell me what was in Neo-Tac Hook It? that's the stuff that would melt the rubber gloves.
I've also used other USBC/ABC approved ball cleaners on my spinner that would soften the cover,my mixture doesn't soften the cover,won't even melt the windex bottle that it sits in.not like I was soaking a ball in a drum of acetone.it's the only way I can clean belt marks and white scuffs from the pins,Iso won't clean marks and just smears the oil around,IMO
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The harder I try the harder they fall
No idea what's in it that would cause it to melt rubber gloves... I have never heard of that happening. Maybe it doesn't agree with latex who knows. There are a lot of cleaners that take off belt marks that I have tried. Powerhouse was good, Remedy RX is good...
Post by: six pack on January 22, 2009, 12:12:44 PM
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: jbruno6 on January 22, 2009, 12:14:14 PM
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clean n dull has softened up covers for me as well when used on a spinner.I don't see any ingredients listed on any ball cleaners sold to the public.half the time it's a small bottle of simple green and alcohol sold for ten bucks,what a rip. I think the ball cleaners are hyped up more then the balls they sell.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
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Post by: Kid Jete on January 22, 2009, 12:22:35 PM
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clean n dull has softened up covers for me as well when used on a spinner.I don't see any ingredients listed on any ball cleaners sold to the public.half the time it's a small bottle of simple green and alcohol sold for ten bucks,what a rip. I think the ball cleaners are hyped up more then the balls they sell.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
I agree that's why I just use 50/50 simple green and isopropyl or just straight isopropyl.
Post by: mmcfarland300 on January 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM
Post by: Cobalt Bomb on January 22, 2009, 12:37:11 PM
Post by: six pack on January 22, 2009, 12:58:23 PM
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clean n dull has softened up covers for me as well when used on a spinner.I don't see any ingredients listed on any ball cleaners sold to the public.half the time it's a small bottle of simple green and alcohol sold for ten bucks,what a rip. I think the ball cleaners are hyped up more then the balls they sell.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
I agree that's why I just use 50/50 simple green and isopropyl or just straight isopropyl.
I've even used just simple green and water with good results.I used to use clean n dull until I melted a cover and had to re do the finish.if I soften up a cover on the spinner with my current recipe then I'll dump it but I've been using it for a long time with no problems.
another question.How can these ball cleaners b USBC approved with out listing any ingredients?is it just a pay off to the USBC?shouldn't the public know what chemicals they are using?
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: J_w73 on January 22, 2009, 01:45:33 PM
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I mix in a windex bottle,1 part S.G. 1 part H2o and a 10% acetone.in another bottle I have H2o to rinse the ball after cleaning with the S.G.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Don't use acetone is will soften the cover and can lead to ball death, not to mention it's illegal.
Yeah right. what's this ball death I keep hearing about? 15 years of bowling I have not yet experienced this "ball death".
I've also used ABC approved cleaner that would melt the rubber gloves I was using. 10% acetone won't do any harm IMO.but you can skip the acetone if you want.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
I somewhat agree.. acetone.. yes is illegal.. but have you seen what the ebonite powerhouse cleaner does to the plastic cap. It melts it into a blob.
I wonder what it does to the pores of a bowling ball? I feel the USBC gets alot of pressure from manufactures to stay out of their way in making money. Seems their criteria for passing certain products may not be that strong.
Not to start a conspiracy theory.. but "hey lets sell a cleaner and tell everyone they must use it to keep their ball clean but it will slowly close the pores and in about 6 to 8 months they will have to get a new ball because their ball is a marble now."
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22
Post by: ucumin2 on January 22, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
Post by: robospare on January 22, 2009, 06:02:03 PM
I use a equal mix of alcohol,clear ammonia, and clear vinegar.
Takes off the oil, dirt, and belt marks and leaves no film on your ball.
Post by: J_w73 on January 22, 2009, 06:21:33 PM
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Has anyone actually seen damage from using acetone? Only reason its illegal is because its extremely flammable. U myself have not found anything that cleans my ball better. Tryed most cleaners out there with no success. Still leaves belt marks and lane marks.
It is actually illegal because in the days of only plastic balls (maybe rubber too) people would soak the entire ball in a bucket of acetone, MEK, or other solvent and it would make the ball much softer and grip the lane better. Thus the reason for a minimum hardness rating by the USBC.
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22
Edited on 1/22/2009 7:23 PM
Post by: J_w73 on January 22, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
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16-17 mph
350-475 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22
Post by: Maine Man on January 22, 2009, 08:12:12 PM
50% Simple Green
50% Isopropyl Alcohol (90%)
Make sure you use the 90% Isopropyl alcohol and you will get fantastic results. Most of the Isopropyl alcohol sold in stores like Wal-Mart are either 50% or 70%. If you want to find 90%, go to a pharmacy, like Walgreens, they always have some and it's very inexpensive. Good luck!
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Post by: six pack on January 22, 2009, 11:12:58 PM
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I mix in a windex bottle,1 part S.G. 1 part H2o and a 10% acetone.in another bottle I have H2o to rinse the ball after cleaning with the S.G.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Don't use acetone is will soften the cover and can lead to ball death, not to mention it's illegal.
Yeah right. what's this ball death I keep hearing about? 15 years of bowling I have not yet experienced this "ball death".
I've also used ABC approved cleaner that would melt the rubber gloves I was using. 10% acetone won't do any harm IMO.but you can skip the acetone if you want.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Buy a TNV and you'll have one..
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Edited on 1/22/2009 9:11 PM
I didn't carry a few ten pins tonight with my playmaker,must of been that dreaded ball death.
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: Gazoo on January 23, 2009, 07:48:35 AM
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I use this mixture, and it works great:
50% Simple Green
50% Isopropyl Alcohol (90%)
Make sure you use the 90% Isopropyl alcohol and you will get fantastic results. Most of the Isopropyl alcohol sold in stores like Wal-Mart are either 50% or 70%. If you want to find 90%, go to a pharmacy, like Walgreens, they always have some and it's very inexpensive. Good luck!
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+1 Very effective formula.
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Post by: se7en on January 23, 2009, 09:42:45 AM
It's not as cut and dry as just using a cleaning mixture.
I use a SG/Alcohol mix to clean my equipment just after I finish bowling before I put my equipment in the bag to leave. Don't wait until you get home and don't do it when you take your equipment out the following outing.
I use Clean and Dull about once a month when I reapply my polish, and finish the process with Docs Magic Elixir to help keep oil from getting in.
Helps to own your own spinner, but it's still easily done with the right products.
At this point, I don't think I could bleed much oil out of my ball, because there wouldn't be much in there.
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Post by: whin-o on January 23, 2009, 11:02:30 AM
The reason being is iso has some paraffin in it.
To get a good deep cleaning carry a spray bottle with a small amount of
dishwashing liquid and water along with a spray bottle of de-natured
alcohol says my proshop owner.
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 23, 2009, 11:14:46 AM