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ignitebowling

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6 months and counting
« on: September 03, 2020, 11:28:10 AM »
Interesting to see where so many bowling centers have been closed now for over 6 months with no end in sight. When you look at the bowling industry as a whole and how few F%#ks are given by either the USBC, BPAA, or manufacturers as a whole it speaks volumes.

Many of these centers are independently own and have no voice and you would think an organization dependent on membership would want to help get involved and be the voice...but last I heard it was too busy sucking it's own dick for buying a magazine and a tournament that is not really relevant at the current time. No doubt "grow the sport" will take on new meaning when so many businesses fall. Possibly losing a distributor along the way.

I guess manufacturers don't understand in their rush to release new product if you have so many places closed the demand goes down. If you lose a distributor that too would be a bad sign for things to come. Yet across the country and social media we have these people with their head in the sand, business as usual, ignore the fire and continue on as normal.

A few PBA/PWBA players have spoke up along with Vise Grip I believe was at a rally in Michigan. Otherwise the bowling industry as a whole has shown what little F*#ks it gives for the rest. All about "I" industry. With many not able to open in time for the usual league season many will run out of hope on getting back open and give up the fight.

Can't wait to see how USBC and Chad spin this going forward in their next magazine article. Maybe something about trimming the fat and it is better for bowling in the long run.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2020, 12:02:41 PM »
All of California closed except for those on tribal land like Canyon Lanes at Morongo. I think I saw somewhere in Eureka, CA might be able to open at 25% capacity.

Ric Hamlin has been trying to do a lot to get bowling opened in California. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll be opening until November at the earliest if everything went as well as possible in terms of the governor's guidelines
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2020, 12:08:10 PM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on September 03, 2020, 12:02:41 PM
All of California closed except for those on tribal land like Canyon Lanes at Morongo. I think I saw somewhere in Eureka, CA might be able to open at 25% capacity.

Ric Hamlin has been trying to do a lot to get bowling opened in California. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll be opening until November at the earliest if everything went as well as possible in terms of the governor's guidelines

How many bowling centers would make it till November you think?  Locally we closed for two and the number of chain restaurants that closed was alarming.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2020, 12:21:22 PM »
Quote from: ignitebowling on September 03, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: SVstar34 on September 03, 2020, 12:02:41 PM
All of California closed except for those on tribal land like Canyon Lanes at Morongo. I think I saw somewhere in Eureka, CA might be able to open at 25% capacity.

Ric Hamlin has been trying to do a lot to get bowling opened in California. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll be opening until November at the earliest if everything went as well as possible in terms of the governor's guidelines

How many bowling centers would make it till November you think?  Locally we closed for two and the number of chain restaurants that closed was alarming.

Honestly I'm not sure. November would be the earliest as a best case scenario unless a change is made for bowling in the governor's guidelines.

If they can't open this year, I don't know how many will be able to survive. The ones that stick it out may have large price increases and we already know how cheap most bowlers are.

I don't have an issue with prices being raised but I understand the business side.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2020, 12:48:10 PM »
It's a shame that Newsom isn't up for re-election until 2022.  Everywhere I go and every chance I get, if there is a recall Governor Newsom petition I fill it out.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2020, 01:29:25 PM »
True, the USBC and BPAA could work harder to lobby state officials to reopen centers.  The challenge will be when state officials go back to their respective departments of health for a "medical opinion", who then consult with medical experts, only to be told it is too risky (indoors, close quarters, shared social space, etc.)  Just like the restaurant and bar industry has been lobbying for months for businesses to reopen only to be denied time and time again.

When my doctor heard yesterday during my annual visit that I had been bowling, the tone of the visit changed and the doctor was not pleased.  I was told it was risky, and that as a result of being at the bowling center just 1 day a week it places me in the "high risk" group for catching Covid-19.  I was then given a full explanation of what I am to do when, not if but when, someone on the league I am on comes back positive.  It was kind of alarming and almost made me want to stop bowling.  I am going to keep bowling, but going to work even harder than I do already to stay safe while I am there.

In any event, I can imagine medical experts would have a similar discussion with state officials who would then deny bowling centers from reopening.  So it would be a battle of the USBC and the BPAA against the state health officials.  I am not sure there is enough empirical data available for the USBC and BPAA to be able to show the statistics surrounding how much communicable disease is (or isn't) spread in bowling centers.  Without scientific data backing them up, it would be a tough sell for them with state officials.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2020, 01:39:16 PM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on September 03, 2020, 01:29:25 PM


In any event, I can imagine medical experts would have a similar discussion with state officials who would then deny bowling centers from reopening.  So it would be a battle of the USBC and the BPAA against the state health officials.  I am not sure there is enough empirical data available for the USBC and BPAA to be able to show the statistics surrounding how much communicable disease is (or isn't) spread in bowling centers.  Without scientific data backing them up, it would be a tough sell for them with state officials.

The issue is the health officials are the only ones with all of the data. There has been 45 states with bowling open and no mention of any outbreaks.

At Canyon Lanes, the first tournament someone bowled who didn't feel 100% and was waiting for their test result. Test came back positive after they bowled.

Everyone was told they may had been exposed, but no one else there tested positive.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2020, 02:12:00 PM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on September 03, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Bowler19525 on September 03, 2020, 01:29:25 PM


In any event, I can imagine medical experts would have a similar discussion with state officials who would then deny bowling centers from reopening.  So it would be a battle of the USBC and the BPAA against the state health officials.  I am not sure there is enough empirical data available for the USBC and BPAA to be able to show the statistics surrounding how much communicable disease is (or isn't) spread in bowling centers.  Without scientific data backing them up, it would be a tough sell for them with state officials.

The issue is the health officials are the only ones with all of the data. There has been 45 states with bowling open and no mention of any outbreaks.

At Canyon Lanes, the first tournament someone bowled who didn't feel 100% and was waiting for their test result. Test came back positive after they bowled.

Everyone was told they may had been exposed, but no one else there tested positive.

The issue there is that someone who didn't feel 100% showed up and bowled.  They did one of the things people are told not to do and potentially exposed others to the virus.

It can supposedly take 14-days or so to know for sure if someone who has been exposed is in the clear, so taking a test a day or two after being exposed might not be a real indicator.  Those poor people that were exposed had to worry for 14 days if they had it, not to mention potentially self-quarantine for 14 days as well.

The USBC and BPAA could commission an independent group to research and compile data about the safety of bowling centers.  Although that would be really expensive, and it seems they are not interested in putting forth the money and effort.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2020, 02:15:53 PM »
Our league has been going for 5 weeks and have had no one test positive. None! We are required to have a mask on the upper concourse and when going to the bar, restroom...ect. Very few people use a mask on the lanes. They have reduced the amount of tables on the lower concourse, but other than that... we are bowling!

One more thing I must explain...I have been going to the gym for 3 months. You must wear a mask into the establishment, but you can take off your mask to lift. They do request you to wipe down each contact point with provided disinfectant and try to remain 6 feet apart-which is impossible.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2020, 02:23:32 PM »
Quote from: rocky61201 on September 03, 2020, 12:48:10 PM
It's a shame that Newsom isn't up for re-election until 2022.  Everywhere I go and every chance I get, if there is a recall Governor Newsom petition I fill it out.

For full disclosure, I am not a fan of "The Gavin".  I won't be voting for him next time, just like I didn't vote for him the first time.

But this one is not his fault. No one has been great at handling this situation. There is plenty to criticize Governor Newsom for, but Covid-19 caught everyone by surprise.
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2020, 02:39:22 PM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on September 03, 2020, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: SVstar34 on September 03, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Bowler19525 on September 03, 2020, 01:29:25 PM


In any event, I can imagine medical experts would have a similar discussion with state officials who would then deny bowling centers from reopening.  So it would be a battle of the USBC and the BPAA against the state health officials.  I am not sure there is enough empirical data available for the USBC and BPAA to be able to show the statistics surrounding how much communicable disease is (or isn't) spread in bowling centers.  Without scientific data backing them up, it would be a tough sell for them with state officials.

The issue is the health officials are the only ones with all of the data. There has been 45 states with bowling open and no mention of any outbreaks.

At Canyon Lanes, the first tournament someone bowled who didn't feel 100% and was waiting for their test result. Test came back positive after they bowled.

Everyone was told they may had been exposed, but no one else there tested positive.

The issue there is that someone who didn't feel 100% showed up and bowled.  They did one of the things people are told not to do and potentially exposed others to the virus.

It can supposedly take 14-days or so to know for sure if someone who has been exposed is in the clear, so taking a test a day or two after being exposed might not be a real indicator.  Those poor people that were exposed had to worry for 14 days if they had it, not to mention potentially self-quarantine for 14 days as well.

The USBC and BPAA could commission an independent group to research and compile data about the safety of bowling centers.  Although that would be really expensive, and it seems they are not interested in putting forth the money and effort.


The difference in bowling centers,  walmart,  target,  lowes,  home depot is minimal.  If everyone is wearing mask and you spread bowlers out every other pair bowling centers are likely going to be "safer" then the large chain retailers going business as usual.  Most centers have done everything asked of other businesses to be prepared to re-open and can't be given the time of day.  If mask and social distance is the answer then bowling centers are ready. 
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2020, 03:08:33 PM »
Straight from the california covid website on why some businesses can open and others can't. Bowling can meet all of the requirements except for operating outside

Activities and businesses that have a lower risk of spreading COVID-19 are allowed to open sooner. Higher-risk activities or businesses aren’t allowed until later tiers. An activity or business’s tier depends on whether it can:

- Accommodate mask wearing at all times (for example, eating and drinking requires removing masks)
     Bowling can do this

-Allow physical distance between individuals from different households
     Bowling can do this

-Limit the number of people per square foot
   Bowling can do this

-Limit time that an individual is at the business or activity
    Bowling can do this

-Limit time of exposure
    Bowling can do this

-Limit mixing of people from different households
    Bowling can do this

-Limit amount of physical interactions of visitors/patrons
    Bowling can do this

-Increase airflow (such as operating outdoors or opening windows and doors)
    Can't operate outdoors but I've seen multiple centers upgrading ventilation

-Limit activities that are known to increase virus spread (like singing, shouting and heavy breathing)
   
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2020, 03:58:08 PM »
I was one of those poor people that was there for the CBT tournament at Canyon lanes.  I was never worried before and never have been, not worried during the tourney, and not worried after the tourney.  I never got tested.  I never had any symptoms.  Thanks for caring and calling me one of those poor people though!!! 

If you are high risk or just scared, then stay home.  If I have a family member or friend who is high risk I'll stay away from them.  The other 99% of us will be fine regardless if we get the virus or not. 
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2020, 05:36:19 PM »
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Re: 6 months and counting
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2020, 05:55:08 AM »
As of today NC centers can open with limited capacity (30%), didn't seems to list other details - distancing, masks, etc.
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