Quote from: themagician on March 30, 2022, 04:17:14 PM

Quote from: bradl on March 30, 2022, 04:10:14 PM

What's the over/under on these 6 balls making it to the show?

I mean, the Masters is still going on, and per everyone's talking from 2 weeks ago, while the Masters is a USBC event, the telecast is a PBA event. Would this then mean that the PBA's rules hold sway for the show, making those 6 balls eligible for an appearance, despite the USBC's ruling?

If so, then this latest incident has already become a farce for both the PBA as a private company, and the USBC altogether.

BL.

The show is still a USBC Event, PBA just honors it as a title. You won’t see them on the show.

Quote from: Bowler19525 on March 30, 2022, 04:20:24 PM

Quote from: bradl on March 30, 2022, 04:10:14 PM

What's the over/under on these 6 balls making it to the show?

I mean, the Masters is still going on, and per everyone's talking from 2 weeks ago, while the Masters is a USBC event, the telecast is a PBA event. Would this then mean that the PBA's rules hold sway for the show, making those 6 balls eligible for an appearance, despite the USBC's ruling?

If so, then this latest incident has already become a farce for both the PBA as a private company, and the USBC altogether.

BL.

The Masters is a USBC event, so the balls aren't allowed.  The PBA stated such in their statement.

"To review Tuesday’s United States Bowling Congress announcement, the USBC prohibited the following six previously-certified bowling balls from use in USBC national events (including this week’s USBC Masters)...

The timing of Tuesday’s USBC ruling, during the USBC Masters, prompted the PBA to grant its members complimentary drillings on the player services trailer for bowling balls replacing the newly prohibited equipment. While the USBC Masters is a PBA Tour major championship, the event is conducted by the USBC under USBC rules."

If any of these balls end up on the show, someone will have some serious explaining to do...

So if that is the case and it's a USBC event all the way through, then a Fab Blue or Burgundy Hammer should have no problem making the show, let alone a 5 year old Pitch Black.

I mean, I personally don't have a dog in this fight unless I try to enter the US Open or the Masters, but I'm trying to point out the ambiguity of the separation of rules here. Do both the PBA's rules and the USBC's rules hold sway here? If it's a USBC event, then does the rolling 2-year urethane ban get overruled?

There is so much confusion here, that neither entity can have things both ways for this tournament.

BL.

Quote from: Bowler19525 on March 31, 2022, 07:41:10 AM

Tournaments conducted by the USBC follow USBC rules.  The 2-year urethane rule is a PBA rule and doesn't apply.  The only urethane exclusion for USBC events is the "6" and "7" serial number Purple Hammers.

Tournaments conducted by the PBA follow PBA rules.  The 2-year urethane ban applies since that is a PBA rule, but the Storm ban isn't being upheld by the PBA (similar to how local associations and leagues can choose to uphold the Storm ban or not, since the equipment is currently still certified.)

I personally have an issue with the PBA piggy-backing onto and using USBC events as major titles, but that is a whole different conversation.

Exactly. So if someone happens to make the show, and they throw a Fab Blue Pearl or a Burgundy or a Sumo, no other bowlers should have the right to complain.

BL.

If someone actually wins this event throwing a Fab Blue Pearl for strikes, they deserve the entire purse not just the 1st place money

Seriously though, Simo's Grenade could make an appearance, who knows.

The "voluntary exchange program" for the six balls has been posted online.

This will be fun to watch...