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suhoney24

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6 More balls stripped of approval
« on: March 29, 2022, 07:25:21 PM »
USBC and Storm Products have agreed on a national tournament exclusion rule and ball exchange program for six Storm Products manufactured ball models. The agreement comes after USBC identified the models having a percentage of balls produced below USBC minimum 73D hardness specification. Read more: https://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622337509

USBC's investigation showed a percentage of these ball models measured below the USBC-required hardness level of the approval samples submitted by Storm. Storm collaborated with USBC after being notified of this testing.

The affected models include: Storm Phaze 4, Storm Electrify Solid, Storm Trend 2, 900 Global Altered Reality, 900 Global Wolverine, Roto Grip UFO Alert

Effective March 30, 2022, these balls models are prohibited from use in USBC national tournaments, including but not limited to, the USBC Masters, U.S. Open, USBC Open Championships, USBC Women's Championships, all PWBA Tour events, USBC Junior Gold and Youth Open Championships, USBC Intercollegiate Championships, USBC Team USA Trials, USBC Senior Masters and USBC Senior Queens.

These ball models remain USBC approved. Each USBC competition, whether tournament or league, has the option to adopt USBC's national tournament rule prohibiting use of these balls or to continue to allow their use.

USBC has shared this national tournament rule with Storm and has Storm's support. Storm will offer owners of the affected balls the option to exchange their balls for a new product. Information about the exchange program will be published later this week on StormBowling.com.

 

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #211 on: April 17, 2022, 08:27:59 PM »
After reading the release, my point of view is this. USBC threw Storm a bone and said we will let you keep the balls already in circulation approved other than the USBC tourneys etc. However, USBC didn't want any more balls sold.

Here is where it gets murky. I was told by my distributor it was okay to order what they had in stock. So I guess this is a matter of semantics. USBC said no more sales. Storm took that as no more sales to distributors....or wanted to take it that way. However, USBC obviously meant no more sales from distributors to pro shops.

So now Storm is going to have to eat a heck of a lot of balls from distributors too.

Oh, this definitely will come down to semantics, and a bit of legalese as well. Case in point: would the PBA be considered a "distributor"? If so, could the sales from the PBA to its members be considered a "sale", according to the USBC? If not, then the PBA is the only place they can be sold, which goes back to my previous post.

If the PBA is considered a distributor by the USBC, then Storm is in trouble and has to eat all of that product; If it is not considered a distributor, then Storm has an out.

BL.

Not sure if the PBA is a big enough avenue to help Storm.

It’s all the product that had been purchased and delivered to the bowling distributors in the USA that’s the issue. Sitting in their warehouses and not Storms.

The letter of the “agreement”. Says it’s fine to sell. Storm is not selling anything.

Add in, what about the mega online dealers? Are they allowed to sell? Bowlersmart, Bowlingball.com, Buddies to name a few.

If the USBC gets upset and perma-bans it all, then Storm has big issues.

Bad enough to have to eat all that sitting stock (if forced to accept returns from those distributors at this point.

Perms-ban means they have to swap everything for everyone, just like the a Spectre. They aren’t going to want to pay for shipping all that stuff back to them either…

Looking at anther total mess yet again.

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #212 on: April 17, 2022, 09:53:27 PM »
Yep total mess. There has to be thousands sitting in various distributor warehouses currently. Thousands of each ball. I know Ace Mitchell had over 700 Phaze 4s alone a week or 2 ago. How about Classic? Grand Prix? DiLaura? Island? The list goes on and on.

As for the PBA….they may take a few but definitely not enough to dent the thousands Storm will have to eat from distributors.

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #213 on: April 17, 2022, 11:47:17 PM »
Yep total mess. There has to be thousands sitting in various distributor warehouses currently. Thousands of each ball. I know Ace Mitchell had over 700 Phaze 4s alone a week or 2 ago. How about Classic? Grand Prix? DiLaura? Island? The list goes on and on.

I know Steve Cook has a lot of these sitting in his warehouse, as he's the only distributor for Norcal/Northern Nevada, and quite possibly the PNW. I can't remember if it is Classic or Grand Prix that supplies Bowlersmart (it may be another; I saw the map of distributors once), but I know for sure Cook has a lot sitting in his warehouse.

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As for the PBA….they may take a few but definitely not enough to dent the thousands Storm will have to eat from distributors.

I see. So the PBA is also effectively throwing Storm a bone to help buffer the cost they'll be eating, but not enough. It's going to be interesting this coming fall season, especially after July or whenever the Spectre trade-in window closes.

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #214 on: April 18, 2022, 05:29:52 AM »
Bradl...

The part about the PBA....there are only so many PBA Storm guys....or guys who are not on anyones staff that can throw Storm....so there is a very limited number of balls that can be sold/distributed there. Have you ever been on the PBA truck or seen inside the PBA truck...the shelf space is limited and there is shelf space for every company that paid the fee to be eligible to be used on the PBA....so you have space for Lord Field (Swag), Big Bowling, Motiv, Brunswick's 7 brands and Storm's 3 brands....plus accessories etc.. How and where would Storm send a sufficient amount of product to the truck? They still have to have room for the other product that didn't get banned too....

Because the USBC has a direct hand in the PWBA, that is out. So distribution opportunities for the banned balls is very limited for Storm if distributors can't sell to pro shops.

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #215 on: April 18, 2022, 07:20:48 AM »
The PBA truck doesn't work that way.  Any member can't just walk in and buy a ball off the shelf.  I've seen low level staff guys get told no they can't drill a ball when there was only a couple of balls of a specific model because one of the poster boys may make the show and want to drill one.

PBA members get offers to buy balls directly from the manufacturers at discount rates when the balls are released, usually for a limited time.  The few balls Storm would sell to PBA members isn't worth rocking the boat even more. 

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #216 on: April 18, 2022, 07:53:43 AM »
Oh I know how the truck works. Unfortunately  :o


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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #217 on: April 18, 2022, 10:02:55 AM »
At the end of the day it is going to be USBC that comes out the worst in all this.  How do they think league bowlers headed to nationals are going to feel knowing that they can't use what the pros use every week on TV. 

I an a 29 year participant in the national tournament.  I will be going thru Vegas in a couple of weeks and not even interested on getting my 30th in.  When I think what nationals has become compared to 20 years ago it makes me sad. 

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #218 on: April 18, 2022, 10:19:41 AM »
I think Bill Chrisman will have a little different feeling about that.

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #219 on: April 18, 2022, 10:42:27 AM »
Avabob posts: “At the end of the day it is going to be USBC that comes out the worst in all this.  How do they think league bowlers headed to nationals are going to feel knowing that they can't use what the pros use every week on TV. 

I an a 29 year participant in the national tournament.  I will be going thru Vegas in a couple of weeks and not even interested on getting my 30th in.  When I think what nationals has become compared to 20 years ago it makes me sad.”

I Agree 100% with Ava Bob. USBC seems to be playing games here going back a long ways to overlooking too soft purple hammers in 2018 2019 and Jacob Butturf purple hammer from 2020.  Storm ruling is too bizarre to be anything but Obfuscation by the USBC.


Also, there appears to be no real way for me as a lower avg bowler to improve since the USBC hides everything from nationals. No live  on BowlTV. I paid to film our team but I can’t get it until the end of July when the tournament is over. And, I am a  Classified bowler.  Don’t try to help the classified learn when it comes to nationals. I think it’s very very sad.

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #220 on: April 18, 2022, 12:44:24 PM »
Just a note about purple hammers.  The new harder ones are still making all the other urethane look bad.  Tommy Jones thrashed Kyle Sherman last night.  Kyle never even tried a pitch black because he probably knew it wouldn't hit compared the purple.  I understand rules are rules but the hardness rule today is not having any impact on ball performance.  The new purples ate hitting just as good as the banned ones .  likewise the banned Storm balls aren't any better for being a couple of points too soft. 

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #221 on: April 24, 2022, 08:41:54 AM »

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #222 on: April 24, 2022, 01:14:30 PM »
https://youtu.be/sKCtQ63FRQo

Watch and learn.

The problem with this is that it is posted by one side in the fight with this, so it can’t be seen or proven with any level of impartiality. Another unbiased 3rd party (in particular, a governing body) needs to perform this test and show their results. Someone like, oh, I dunno… the WTBA?

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Re: 6 More balls stripped of approval
« Reply #223 on: April 24, 2022, 01:34:06 PM »
I was just trying to educate Bowlers. But it is unfortunate that so many people are close minded. Not you, mind you. You were totally open minded about the issue and I’m sure you have as I have, I contacted USB-C to see all the Rod data results as well as view the conditions of testing. They refuse. It doesn’t matter whether I’m a member of the USB-C or have been a member for 50 years. Secrecy is the best

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« Reply #224 on: April 24, 2022, 02:12:50 PM »
I was just trying to educate Bowlers. But it is unfortunate that so many people are close minded. Not you, mind you. You were totally open minded about the issue and I’m sure you have as I have, I contacted USB-C to see all the Rod data results as well as view the conditions of testing. They refuse. It doesn’t matter whether I’m a member of the USB-C or have been a member for 50 years. Secrecy is the best

One thing that people don’t tend to also realize is that the USBC and PBA are not the be all/end all of Bowling. We know that other countries have their own governing bodies, and their rules hold sway. We know Canada is following the USBC’s path, but there is still Japan, Korea, Singapore, China, etc. on top of that there is also the JPBA and KPBA tours, so Storm still has plenty of ways to sell these balls overseas, since they haven’t been banned there. The only problem they’d have is if a bowler from there came to bowl the Masters or got an invite to the US Open, then they’d be stuck.

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